One of the interesting things to come out of this Threadripper launch is the stack of embargos. Last week AMD revealed the launch date and pricing, which will incidentally also be the date for our review of both chips. AMD also inserted a small embargo in the middle for today, allowing media outlets to do unboxings.

We’re Allowed To Show Pictures Now

Rather than discuss each element of what AMD shipped the ~250 reviewers who have review kits, this article is going to be mainly a picture story with annotations. Starting with a pelican case that AMD shipped the CPUs in.


Mug for Scale

Inside the massive padded box were two CPUs in special cases, along with a paperweight.

Yes, that’s an actual CPU in the paperweight, printed with AnandTech’s logo. We got CPU 30 out of 250.

Who has #1 ?

Each of the CPUs was in this overly padded secondary box.

 
Vital Codes

The instructions were far from clear. I tried to record this on video. Some swearing was involved – you definitely need two hands for this.

The CPU is housed in its own secondary support system. Twist, unlock, pull, grip, fail, try again, use force, swear, then eventually get the latch off.

The CPU comes in this orange holder. The orange holder goes into the motherboard as well, so there’s no need to take the CPU out.

The box also contains a bracket for Asetek liquid coolers to fit, and a Torx Screwdriver. There are some stickers as well.

Putting it in the socket is fairly easy – three Torx screws and the mechanism pops open. Slide into the tray, close the screws. I had more issues with the CPU cooler mechanism than the CPU tray.

This last picture shows how thermal paste spreads across the CPU after a couple of days of testing with a tight liquid cooler. We can’t say much about temperatures at this point because of the embargo.

Paperweight. No idea if the CPU inside actually works.

Along with the CPUs, AMD supplied almost everything needed for the system: an ASUS X399 Zenith Extreme motherboard, 32GB of G.Skill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 C14 memory, a 512GB Samsung 960 Pro M.2 drive, a Thermaltake Toughpower Grand 1200W, and a Thermaltake Floe Riing 360 Premium liquid cooler (a 3x120 side radiator). The only thing missing was a Vega GPU (ed: you don't get everything).

What Does This Mean

I’ve never had a review sample come with quite so much kit in such extravagant packaging. Back with Ryzen they supplied a hardwood box with all the kit, and this one goes another stage up. AMD knows they can cause a stir on the social channels by being big and bright rather than staying understated, and to a certain extent, it works (as long as the company can afford it). It’s a corner of the product release cycle that AMD has honed in on, or one that its competitors have missed, although it is hard to gauge the return on investment and requires a marketing head to approve it nonetheless.

AMD Ryzen SKUs
  Cores/
Threads
Base/
Turbo
XFR L3 DRAM
1DPC
PCIe TDP Cost Cooler
TR 1950X 16/32 3.4/4.0 ? 32 MB 4x2666 60 180W $999 -
TR 1920X 12/24 3.5/4.0 ? 32 MB 4x2666 60 180W $799 -
TR 1900X 8/16 3.8/4.0 +200 ? 4-Ch 60 ? $549 -
Ryzen 7 1800X 8/16 3.6/4.0 +100 16 MB 2x2666 16 95 W $499 -
Ryzen 7 1700X 8/16 3.4/3.8 +100 16 MB 2x2666 16 95 W $399 -
Ryzen 7 1700 8/16 3.0/3.7 +50 16 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $329 Spire
Ryzen 5 1600X 6/12 3.6/4.0 +100 16 MB 2x2666 16 95 W $249 -
Ryzen 5 1600 6/12 3.2/3.6 +100 16 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $219 Spire
Ryzen 5 1500X 4/8 3.5/3.7 +200 16 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $189 Spire
Ryzen 5 1400 4/8 3.2/3.4 +50 8 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $169 Stealth
Ryzen 3 1300X 4/4 3.5/3.7 +200 8 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $129 Stealth
Ryzen 3 1200 4/4 3.1/3.4 +50 8 MB 2x2666 16 65 W $109 Stealth

What now? Time to get back to testing. Review next week. 

The Change in NDA Philosophy: A Personal Commentary

This new ‘unboxing’ sort of embargo has been borne from a rapid change in how media approaches launches and NDAs.

In the past, from 2014 and before, when there was a product NDA in place it was expected that no media would even acknowledge that they had the product, let alone disclose the date of launch. In the advent of a more social media focused – and younger – technology press, skirting those NDA lines with product images has now become almost a standard: if you have the product, flaunt it, and generate hype for the review/video. Even when there is an NDA in place specifically barring certain types of content, such as unboxings, it seems that posting screenshots or gifs of the upcoming unboxing content being edited before the NDA is becoming the norm.

The reasoning stems from the fact that NDAs typically restrict product reviews and only mention performance and data analysis to be revealed at a certain date, and the argument is that the NDAs often say nothing about showcasing the product before the launch (or even if the NDA is itself under NDA). Depending on the company, this has had a mixed response: typically an incumbent market leader will come down hard if NDA rules are pushed, although PR teams and underdogs like to push the hype train as many times around the track as possible if the product is good.

AnandTech in this respect is fairly old-school: we’d rather spend more time testing the product to give more data for our analysis and reviews, making sure our readers have the sufficient knowledge at hand to invest in a product. Unboxings on AT are few and far between because there usually isn’t that much to show for our typical user base that know technology – it only really makes sense to us when something is unusual (like Threadripper), or to show to new users that may become enthusiasts. Ultimately, it’s that latter group that has spurned the tech media to invest in social media for this sort of content, especially around high-performance components or hardware where it actually makes sense, like monitors. Unboxing products like a CPU would usually take several seconds: CPU, manual, cooler, sticker, done.

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  • haukionkannel - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    This come from the same line as 32 core epyx workstatios chip.
    There only are two real Zen cores inside the heatspreader in this model and mother board for treathrippers does not have contacts for another two Zen cores. The another two are there to fill the empty space so that the core has better contact with the heatspreader and also to make it more durable.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    These are based on the epyc line. So it most likely did not cost much more to develop TR, and the margins on these kinds of chips are very high compared to typical desktop chips, which are already pretty good.

    So better question, why would AMD continue to allow intel to command the high margin market?
  • silverblue - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link

    "One thing I though is funny in the crazy packaging is "RIP Here" - which could mean "Rest In Peace" as possible AMD's last effort for something"

    It could just be a play on ThreadRIPper.
  • Troll_Slayer - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    I want one of those personalized paperweights!!! AMD pulled out all stops, as they should, especially for AnandTech.

    AnandTech has the first, best, and most thorough review of EPYC and Skylake-SP

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-...

    I expect another great review from them.
  • Manch - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    Ian,
    Can I have the pelican case? :D
  • sor - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    I wonder how long before we get a 1900X review. I think that has the potential to be a great CPU, probably the best Ryzen single threaded performance so far, while still getting more cores than we're used to, all of the IO goodies, and at a mainstream price.
  • abufrejoval - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    How can they call it "Unlocked, Unconstrained and Uncompromising" if
    a) EPYC 7501 ($3400) and EPYC 7551P ($2100) contain the exact same hardware but the former contains a "magic 2P tax" not arguable with any technical difference?
    b) You can't freely choose to populate your 1P or 2P board with high-clock/low-core Threadripper 1950X ($999) or medium-clock/high-core EPYC 7551P?

    It's the very same market segmentation Intel uses, only that in this case we all know that they vary nothing but the number of dies they put into the package.

    They should either change the prices or the marketing, but this combination they are quite simply lying.
  • pepoluan - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    a) Remember EPYC CPUs on 2 sockets coordinate using Infinity Fabric. It's totally possible that the cross-socket Infinity Fabric on the "P" models does not pass QC, so they are prevented from being used in a 2-socket configuration.

    b) TR CPUs have only 2 dies, not 4. Server boards expect there will be 4 dies, not 2.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    TR has 4 dies, however 2 of them are speculated to be dummy dies that have no functionality and solely serve as braces for the IHS.
  • abufrejoval - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link

    a) You are obviously a nice person, expecting best intentions and behaviour from AMD.

    And I agree, there is a marginal chance you'll have dies which fail on the fabric parts of a die, which tend to be higher area, because they are external links, even if they are low logic complexity.

    But I think that that AMD is simply trying to make extra money from 2P when Intel is doing it, too, is the real motive. It's a logical conclusion and they are not even attempting to reason otherwise.

    And being greedy is ok, when you *admit* to being greedy, like Jeff Bezos.

    What irks me extra is if someone is broadcasting "moral superiority" but behaving just as selfishly as the rest of the "crowd".

    b) AMD designed Zen to be flexible. What server boards "expect" was up for AMD to decide. Server boards expect a number of "channels" and these are negotiated to be either IF, PCIe or RAM. If AMD designed a 1P/2P split, that is a design decision, not "inevitable fate".

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