AMD's 3rd generation Opteron versus Intel's 45nm Xeon: a closer lookby Johan De Gelas on November 27, 2007 6:00 AM EST
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Floating-point Analyses (Linux 64-bit)
AMD's newest quad-core behaves pretty weird when it comes to floating-point applications. In some FP intensive applications (CINEBENCH and LINPACK for example) a 2GHz quad-core cannot even keep up with Intel's older 2GHz 65nm quad-core CPUs; in other applications it is a close match (3ds Max, POV-Ray); finally, in applications like zVisuel's 3D Engine and SPECfp, Barcelona is clearly faster clock-for-clock than the older generation. Our aim is to understand this situation a little better and to see what the 45nm Xeon 54xx can achieve.
To understand this we first tested with two synthetic, but completely opposite FP benchmarks:
which calculates on massive matrices
- FLOPS, which fits in an 8 KB L1 cache
Let us start with LINPACK. LINPACK, a benchmark application based on the LINPACK TPP code, has become the industry standard benchmark for HPC. It solves large systems of linear equations by using a high performance matrix kernel.
We used a workload of square matrices of sizes 5000 to 30000 by steps of 5000, and we ran four (dual dual-core) or eight (dual quad-core) threads. As the system was equipped with 8GB of RAM, the large matrixes all ran in memory. LINPACK is expressed in GFLOPS (Giga/Billions of Floating Operations Per Second).
We used two versions of LINPACK:
version of LINPACK compiled with the Intel Math Kernel Library (MKL)
- A fully optimized "K10-only" version for AMD's quad-core
The "K10-only" version uses the ACML version 4.0.0, compiled using the PGI 7.0.7. We used the following flags:
pgcc -O3 -fast -tp=barcelona-64
The graph above may come as a surprise to a quite few people. At the lower matrix sizes, AMD's quad-core is even a bit faster with the "Intel version" than with the specially optimized version. Only while calculating with the larger matrices does the heavily tuned version pull ahead. The K10-only version of LINPACK is about 6% faster, and the most important reason for that improvement is the ACML library of AMD. However, it is clear that the Intel MKL and compiler are not slowing the AMD core down when it is running LINPACK.
There is more. At first sight, the AMD 2360SE scores seem rather poor: just a tiny bit faster than the 2.33GHz quad-core of Intel. However, the Intel CPU scales rather poorly with clock speed: a 3GHz Clovertown is only 6% faster than a 2.33GHz one while the clock speed advantage is 28%. The Barcelona core however scales 19% from a 20% clock speed boost. The new Seaburg platform cannot help here: a 3GHz Xeon E5365 was capable of 57.1 GFLOPS, while it got 57 GFLOPS with the older chipset.
Intel's clever compiler engineers have already found a way around this, as the newest release of their LINPACK version is quite a bit faster on both Clovertown and Harpertown. The LINPACK score increases to 70 GLOPs for the Xeon 5472 3GHz (60.5 in our test) and 63 for the Xeon E5365 3GHz (57 in our test). Unfortunately, we don't have any data on what has changed, so we decided to freeze our benchmark code for now.
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tshen83 - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkSeriously, can you buy the 2360SE? Newegg doesn't even stock the 1.7Ghz 2344HEs.
The same situation exist on the Phenom line of CPUs. I don't see the value of reviewing Phenom 9700, 9900s when AMD cannot deliver them. I am trouble locating Phenom 9500s.
alantay - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkThe MySQL scalability problem is not so much in MySQL as in the Linux kernel and Glibc used.
To have it scale correctly to 8 CPUs you need kernel 2.6.22.x (alternatively you could try with a 2.6.24-RC -should be a bit faster-, but not with 2.6.23.x) and Glibc 2.6 or higher.
A default Ubuntu 7.10 for example should scale well with MySQL (OpenSUSE 10.3 *might* work, but they have backported the 2.6.23 scheduler which has a scalability problem).
Thanks for the article!
JohanAnandtech - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkExcellent feedback.
It is a bit frustrating that once again you need some ultra new kernel and libraries to get good scalability. THat is unrealistic for people who use SLES and who rely on their support contract to get updates.
MGSsancho - Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - linkhow about opensolaris? i dont know how much different it is from solaris 10, but it should be able to scale to dozens of cores nicely. I was about to ask about oracle and DB2 benchmarks but you answered that in your article; expensive, and the oems usually publish that info.
anyways awesome article
Roy2001 - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkI cannot find a SINGLE one, nowhere.
drebo - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkNewegg has the Phenom 9500 in stock. At least, they did yesterday. I've also got a vendor I use that has them in stock.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkBut Phenom isn't Opteron 23xx. Different socket, different market, and it has L3. (Does Phenom X4 have an L3 cache? Maybe I should go check....)
drebo - Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - linkYes, Phenom 9500 has an L3. But if you look at his question (in the subject line), he is asking about barcelona as a whole and phenom specifically. The answer is Yes, they are available.
Slaimus - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkThey may be gobbled by up Cray for that Budapest supercomputer.
Regs - Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - linkI would not expect any from vendors and wholesalers until early next year.
Matter of fact I wouldn't want one until then anyhow. I would at least wait until B3 stepping.