11:28AM EDT - Today at Hot Chips we have a lot of interesting talks going on. First up is a talk on Intel's latest 14nm FPGA solution: Stratix 10 implementing HBM using Intel's latest EMIB (embedded multi-die interconnect bridge) technology that may migrate over to enterprise CPUs over the next few years.

11:30AM EDT - Other talks today include Google's TPU, IBM's z CPU, as well as talks on EPYC, Xeon and Centriq (we've covered these before)

11:30AM EDT - Sorry again today we're fighting the WiFi. With today being the busiest day of the conference, I'm expecting there to be strain on the data. So pictures may come after the talks.

11:33AM EDT - Aside from the Stratix 10 FPGA news, EMIB is particularly exciting

11:34AM EDT - As we move to smaller process nodes, it makes massive monolithic chips harder to create. Yields go down and it gets expensive

11:34AM EDT - The solution to this is to create a multi-die package, using interconnects between the chips. We've seen this for years, and most recently in Xeon Phi and EPYC

11:35AM EDT - So while we've had the frequency wars, we're in the Core wars, to a certain extent the server market is in the midst of the communcation wars: how can data be moved in bulk at low latency

11:35AM EDT - Die to die communication now becomes an area calling out for innocation

11:36AM EDT - Standard chip-to-chip communications can come in two main ways. Either through the package, or via an interposer (such as Fiji, Vega, Volta)

11:36AM EDT - EMIB is a mid-way point in this. Signals still go through the package, but the package is modified to allow for shorter paths and faster connectivity

11:37AM EDT - As shown on the picture at the top, it allows for silicon dies to get super close as well

11:37AM EDT - Intel has announced EMIB before, most noticeably at their manufacturing tech day earlier this year

11:39AM EDT - We'll see it in FPGAs first, that require access to high bandwidth memory (and customers are willing to pay)

11:39AM EDT - Although the future of the technology can mean that we will have multiple dies on package made at different process nodes. The cores at one node, the onboard memory at another node, perhaps integrated accelerators/RF at other nodes etc

11:41AM EDT - This image is what Intel showed back at the Manufacturing Day

11:41AM EDT - This is why the technology comes across as fascinating to the future of Intel's processor lines. Especially as we hit 10nm and below

11:41AM EDT - Obviously the other semiconductor companies will have to implement their own solution, whether it is through the package or using an interposer

11:42AM EDT - I'll be uploading the slides as quick as I can as the talk progresses. Should start in a few minutes

11:48AM EDT - OK here we go

11:50AM EDT - As time goes on, packaging features are more of the platform over than the silicon

11:50AM EDT - Long dev cycles

11:51AM EDT - So high non-recurring engineering cost and longer time to market

11:51AM EDT - So develop a new packaging technology to help this

11:52AM EDT - 'Amortize the engineering over several identical items, or evolve flexible technologies'

11:52AM EDT - 'Build a large system out of smaller parts.

11:54AM EDT - Small sliver of silicon in the package

11:54AM EDT - Now Build the system: Intel Stratix 10 with four tranceiver chiplets and two DRAM chiplets

11:56AM EDT - Now Build the system: Intel Stratix 10 with four tranceiver chiplets and two DRAM chiplets

11:57AM EDT - Using multibump pitch on the FPGA die

11:57AM EDT - Interposer is also available, but EMIB is only localised digital connections. Other IOs/RG are unaffected, and can use multiple bridges. In an interposer, you need to have TSVs for non-cross chip communication. All the signals need to go through

11:58AM EDT - So reduced fabrication and assembly, cost effective, high perf solution. Also no reticle size limits now: build a system as large as your package.

11:58AM EDT - So comparison: onboard routing is 20 pJ/b (PCIe, DDR), on-die is 0.1 pJ/b (AMBA, IOSF), But with EMIB, distance is 100 micron, power is under 1pJ/b

11:58AM EDT - So defining the standard. Data rate as a function of brakout density (IO per mm at die edge)

11:59AM EDT - EMIB is a simple parallel IO circuitry for lower power and lower latency and larger scalability

12:01PM EDT - AIB a small sliver for communication and data streaming at 1 Tbps

12:01PM EDT - AIB on chiplet and AIB on FPGA. Now it becomes a Lego system. Stick what you need together when the AIB is standard

12:01PM EDT - Chiplets can be large or small as whatever is needed. Chiplets can have multiple AIBs to connect to other silicon.

12:01PM EDT - Also use multi-foundry and multi-node

12:02PM EDT - for noise isolation, superior for analog vs monolithic

12:02PM EDT - proven on 3 foundries on 6 tech nodes

12:03PM EDT - Chiplets are functional IP blocks in a physical form - in effect a building block

12:03PM EDT - Platform needs simple composition rules

12:03PM EDT - So AIB and UIB

12:03PM EDT - Perhaps there are a couple of different classes of applications

12:04PM EDT - UIB is general purpose SiP for HBM/ASIC

12:04PM EDT - AIB for transciever and analog/RF

12:05PM EDT - AIB has 25 logical channels - 24 for user, one for handshake

12:05PM EDT - adaptor for light weight data streaming and redundancy steering

12:06PM EDT - IP designer can focus on IP design, rather than connectivity

12:07PM EDT - Create dies with AIB and UIB ports, then play lego to create a family of products

12:07PM EDT - Modular platform enables cost-effective upgrades. No need to respin a die, just replace chiplets with other IP blocks

12:07PM EDT - e.g. new generation transceivers or new HBM. Reduces time to market

12:09PM EDT - Can now converge both process nodes and suitable cost

12:09PM EDT - 20K EMIB connections up to 2 Gbps each

12:09PM EDT - Reduces size, weight and power

12:10PM EDT - EMIB isn't about a particular product, but rolling out on Stratix first

12:10PM EDT - More use of EMIB through DARPA and 'Chips' (?)

12:11PM EDT - 'No company has a monopoly on innovation - we want to innovate with partners'

12:11PM EDT - Time for Q&A

12:12PM EDT - 'Q: How available is EMIB'

12:14PM EDT - 'A: Cost analysis makes yield of EMIB preferable over other technology. High-end and mid-range systems are coming from Intel using EMIB'

12:14PM EDT - 'Q: are there pitch bump limits'

12:15PM EDT - 'A: we're at 55 now, with 35 coming soon. We've seen as low as 10 micron in the lab'

12:17PM EDT - 'Q: Chiplets idea is good, but interposers are for high volume. Can I go to Intel and use their EMIB technology?'

12:18PM EDT - A: Intel has EMIB, but GloFo had interposer. Three foundries here, should drive the cost down. If the business model is right, Intel would build high-volume EMIB but there is no monopoly on high-density packaging technology

12:18PM EDT - 'Q: Is EMIB ready for prime time?'

12:19PM EDT - 'A: Yes, EMIB is in the field, and large volumes are coming and it is ready for prime time'

12:20PM EDT - 'Q: Can you get around bad dies before putting chiplets onto the package?' 'A: Yes'

12:21PM EDT - 'Q: Can you get around bad dies before putting chiplets onto the package?' 'A: Yes'

12:23PM EDT - 'Q: Can you get around bad dies before putting chiplets onto the package?' 'A: Yes'

12:23PM EDT - That's a wrap. Xilinx are now doing a talk on a new 16nm FPGA with HBM and CCIX

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  • jjj - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    You live blog the most boring presentations ,prioritizing brand affiliations vs what's interesting.
  • Ian Cutress - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    Have you told me which presentations you'd find interesting? I've not had an email. I can't read your mind.

    Quite apart from which, *I* find it interesting. If I only posted presentations you found interesting, it'd be called jjj-tech. If you don't find it interesting, there's a front page of other content, or multiple ways to go look at something else. It's optional for you to read this. If someone is forcing you, there are bigger issues here.
  • LeftSide - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    This is huge. Simplifying the process of SOC development so that pieces can be developed separate of a monolithic die. It's a very interesting topic, and will shape the future of processor development at Intel.
    Thanks for the coverage Ian
  • cekim - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    It used to be that MCMs were higher risk, lower yield and MUCH higher cost. It's pretty fascinating that they are now becoming preferred even where not required by gargantuan dies (Nvidia - looking at you...). It speaks to confidence in pre-pacakge testing and bump bonding tech even at these tiny scales.
  • ddriver - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    It is huge alright, intel went form mocking AMD about "gluing chips together" to promoting the bright future of their own glued together chips. Let's hear it for hypocrisy and lame publicity.
  • Kevin G - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    AMD mocked Intel for this during the days of the dual core Pentium 4's.
  • Lolimaster - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - link

    For sub 5 cores cpu's a monolithic die is the better way, AMD was right. In the multicore era, modular is the way to go, AMD was right on that too.
  • Strunf - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - link

    AMD 8 Cores are monolithic...
    There's no right or wrong there is just cost, performance and business planning. What we see is that multi-die does come at a performance cost.
  • Lolimaster - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - link

    They had 2 integer units but only 1 floating point unit per module.
  • Xajel - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 - link

    AMD mocked them because Pentium D wasn't actually a dual core, there was no core-core communication inside the package, for the core to communicate with the other core it has to send the data out to the chipset, and then again return it to the other core via another bus... Intel's first glue was an actual glue of two separate CPU's into a single CPU package.

    Intel's current method is almost an exact replica of what AMD is doing, Intel is just doing away with in-package data route to a more advanced silicon based one. while silicon based one isn't new ( ie, silicon interposer ) Intel's approach is more cost effective as you don't need a huge silicon die that cover all the original dies.

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