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VMmark Scores Investigated: should VMmark be part of your hardware decisions?
VMmark Scores Investigated: should VMmark be part of your hardware decisions?
Date: May 8th, 2009
Topic: IT Computing
Manufacturer: VMware
Author: Johan De Gelas
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While Intel's claims on the Xeon 55xx product page are based on a flawed comparison, the newest VMmark data suggests that the "Nehalem Xeon" is indeed more than twice as fast than the older Xeons and (almost) twice as fast as the newest Opterons when running on ESX 4.0. We expect the Dual Opteron "Shanghai" 8389 at 2.9GHz to achieve a score between 12 and 13.5 on ESX 4.0, while the typical score for the Xeon X5570 is around 20-23.5 depending on the clock speed of the DDR3 modules.

That tells the ICT professional that the Xeon X5570 is a CPU with the potential to run extremely high amounts of VMs, but not much more. The real world value of VMmark is highly debatable as it is showing its age:

  • How many of us are running more than 50 to 100 VMs, which need on average only 1GB per VM? It sounds like desktop virtualization, but it is supposed to represent server virtualization.
  • Would there be any real world java application that shows the same performance profile as SPECjbb? No I/O, no shared data between the different threads, and "SPECjbb-only" JVM optimizations?
  • How close is SysBench, which perform all its transactions on a monolithic table, to a real OLTP database running on top of a hypervisor?

The problem is that VMmark is only one data point, which hardly reflects any real world scenarios IT professionals currently use. As a result, VMmark is yet another industry benchmark where the experts of the large OEMs create unrealistically high scores with expensive SAN configurations. It's still interesting but hardly relevant for the real world. It is time for a new data point. The more virtualization scenarios tested the better. Just give us a few more days….

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23 Comments - Last by JohanAnandtech, 189 days ago
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You're right by mlambert, 197 days ago
No one pays attention to this. It's all about whats available from HP in terms of blades & enclosures when it's time for your 3yr hardware refresh.

Right now it's BL2's the 495's. This is how corp IT works.

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different approach needed by tynopik, 197 days ago
one problem with VMmark is that it tries to reduce a complex combination of variables to ONE NUMBER

that's great if everyone has the SAME WORKLOAD, but they don't

how about more focused benchmarks that stress ONE particular area of vm performance?

then people can looks at the numbers that most impact them

also it would be interesting to see where the gains are coming from

is nehalem better at virtualization simply because it's a faster cpu? or are the vm-specific enhancements making a difference? inquiring minds want to know

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Exceptional Article by lopri, 197 days ago
Yet again from Johan. Johan never disappoints! I have just had a quick read, but I will take a thorough read later. Thank you much and I'd like the follow-up articles very much, too.

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RE: Exceptional Article by JohanAnandtech, 195 days ago
Thanks for the compliment and especially the confidence!

- Johan

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common sense by duploxxx, 196 days ago
Finally some good article to breach this new vmmark scores.

Although it is clear that the new Nehalem based system is better then current shanghai this is mostly due to the 3 mem controllers (which in the end provides more mem/cpu) and faster memory. The HT feature is the main VMmark whoop score cause here, it is already stated by many Vmware performance representatives that people should take care about the HT core as a real core in production, if you do this the performance will get bad just as previous HT, although the ESX sw is no much more aware of this feature (esx 3.5u4 and esx4), but is seems like the vmmark is not able to see the difference since there is not enough load on the system.

All other features are now equal while shanghai switching time was way better then harpertown the nehalem is more or less equal, also the ept/npt or rapid V or whatever you want to call it is now implemented.

so a final vmmark performance score you stated around 16-17 sounds very reasonable.

the performance enhancements in esx4 are not really for HT rather the core coherency features like vmware wants to call this, iommu which will be first introduced by amd istanbul and most important the paravirtualized scsi driver and off course more cpu/vm and a lot of memory, scheduling improvement.....etc....

Perhaps you should contact there are aware of this VMmark real world difference and are working on a new version.

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How many of us are running more than 50 to 100 VMs? by noxipoo, 196 days ago

Plenty of companies have old servers that doesn't need much. NT4 to 2000 servers can easily range to those numbers at most corporations.

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RE: How many of us are running more than 50 to 100 VMs? by JohanAnandtech, 196 days ago
Possible, but still an exception. Windows 2000 and NT4 servers have become a minority, probably less than 5% of the installed base.

And you are probably not too concerned about CPU performance when consolidating those servers.

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Belgian persuasion by tshen83, 196 days ago
So,I take it that you want to discredit VMmark as being a relevant benchmark for virtualization?

You know VMmark isn't the only benchmark that says Nehalem is twice as efficient in performance/watt than Shanghais right?

In the last paragraph, you said "give us a few more days". To do what? To selectively choose a few benchmarks that show that Shanghai is a better CPU for virtualization workloads? Good luck with that.

Sometimes I want to find a ruler and measure just how deep you stuck your head up AMD's rear end. Sometimes I also wonder why a Belgian is so freaking adamant about AMD. Anand got too cheap I guess to outsource an important job to Belgium I guess.

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RE: Belgian persuasion by whatthehey, 196 days ago
Or perhaps he just has some information on a new virtualization benchmark suite, which may or may not show Shanghai in a better light.

I think it's pretty easy to conclude that the two year old design of VMmark is aging and not as relevant as when it first came out (if it was even truly relevant then). So let's wait a few more days, eh?

Sometimes I want to pull out a ruler to measure just how far up Intel's ass tshen83 has shoved his head so that he can't even consider any viewpoint that doesn't state that Intel is unequivocally the best. Seriously, look at any AMD or Intel article, and he's there espousing the virtues of Intel and trashing everything AMD does. It's not all black and white, dude... except when you get paid by Intel to do what you do, of course.

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RE: Belgian persuasion by Viditor, 194 days ago
My own guess is that tshen83 has become a 100% Intel ass, the 2 things have merged in this reality...:)

I would like to see how things compare on the larger boxes though. There are an awful lot of 4 and 8 way VM machines going out there right now...

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