I'm not sure on the price side of things. If the die size estimate of 150mm^2 is accurate, that's almost exactly 3/4 the size of Raven Ridge/Picasso. We know that 7nm is a more costly node than 14/12nm, but I wouldn't have thought it would be to such an extent that a much smaller chip would wind up being significantly more expensive at retail.
%90 16 threads advantage in Cinebench AT 1st Run. If it is Really 15W, expect the next run to be 4% slower. On Paper, even on paper, AMD won't be as efficient as Intel, for both higher Idle power consumption AND higher Display power use, which is not Intel's 1W display panel. Intel's project Athena ASIDE. which are more optimized, just to mention. It is very probably not so good in power use, you see 2 times more EFFICIENT won't translate to 2 times more battery life. Intel's Laptops were beating AMD ones greatly in likes of Microsoft Surface Laptop which had both AMD and Intel, 2 times MORE Efficient, you say, without being that optimized.. No 1w display which matters.... No tiger lake which comes soon... Yeah, I expect Intel be faster & ALWAYS BEST QUALITY...
We don't know anything about Renoir's idle power consumption other than that it has been improved over Picasso. Also, why would you expect AMD's Cinebench performance to degrade on a second run more than Intel's? Intel (more than AMD) have a history of pushing mobile CPU's to many times their TDP for short bursts.
No doubt Intel's optimizations within project Athena will play a role. But it's way to early to make the kind of assumptions you are making. Also, Tiger Lake will probably not be available until September/October at the earliest. OEM's are still launching Comet Lake products with availability of some not until March.
In past, cinebench benchmarks showed when AMD is High, it will degrade much more than Intel. As much as half in 3rd run, for example... They exist on web... AMD says it is limited & doesn't provide sustainable performance at 15W, It is surely so, Even Intel's 8 core 9th gen H i9 is faster than AMD's toppest both 45W & 16 Threads, so, AMD's isn't cooler...
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Spunjji - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
I'm not sure on the price side of things. If the die size estimate of 150mm^2 is accurate, that's almost exactly 3/4 the size of Raven Ridge/Picasso. We know that 7nm is a more costly node than 14/12nm, but I wouldn't have thought it would be to such an extent that a much smaller chip would wind up being significantly more expensive at retail.GeoffreyA - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
The increased CPU performance would certainly be appreciated: Zen 2's IPC gains + more cores.SolarBear28 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Based on Ian's round table interview with Dr. Lisa Su herself I don't think the Renoir desktop APU's will be available anytime soon.Spunjji - Thursday, January 9, 2020 - link
I saw that too. Damn shame, but inevitable when supply is constrained and they have a whole new market to break back into.nobodyblog - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
%90 16 threads advantage in Cinebench AT 1st Run. If it is Really 15W, expect the next run to be 4% slower.On Paper, even on paper, AMD won't be as efficient as Intel, for both higher Idle power consumption AND higher Display power use, which is not Intel's 1W display panel. Intel's project Athena ASIDE. which are more optimized, just to mention.
It is very probably not so good in power use, you see 2 times more EFFICIENT won't translate to 2 times more battery life. Intel's Laptops were beating AMD ones greatly in likes of Microsoft Surface Laptop which had both AMD and Intel, 2 times MORE Efficient, you say, without being that optimized.. No 1w display which matters.... No tiger lake which comes soon... Yeah, I expect Intel be faster & ALWAYS BEST QUALITY...
Thanks!
sseyler - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
ROFL. The quality of this troll is remarkably awful—at least put a little effort into it.Sub31 - Friday, January 10, 2020 - link
More capitalized words than a Diary of a Wimpy Kid book.SolarBear28 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
We don't know anything about Renoir's idle power consumption other than that it has been improved over Picasso. Also, why would you expect AMD's Cinebench performance to degrade on a second run more than Intel's? Intel (more than AMD) have a history of pushing mobile CPU's to many times their TDP for short bursts.No doubt Intel's optimizations within project Athena will play a role. But it's way to early to make the kind of assumptions you are making. Also, Tiger Lake will probably not be available until September/October at the earliest. OEM's are still launching Comet Lake products with availability of some not until March.
nobodyblog - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
In past, cinebench benchmarks showed when AMD is High, it will degrade much more than Intel. As much as half in 3rd run, for example... They exist on web...AMD says it is limited & doesn't provide sustainable performance at 15W, It is surely so, Even Intel's 8 core 9th gen H i9 is faster than AMD's toppest both 45W & 16 Threads, so, AMD's isn't cooler...
Thanks!
Korguz - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
nobodyblog " They exist on web... " care to share the source for this so we can be sure we are looking at the same thing ??