The Intel Core i3-12300 Review: Quad-Core Alder Lake Shinesby Gavin Bonshor on March 3, 2022 8:30 AM EST
LGA1700: Reports of Bending Sockets
Since the launch of Intel's Alder Lake-based 12th generation Core processors, there have been several reports of high and abnormal temperatures, even at stock frequencies. The art in balancing out the integrated heat spreader (IHS) of a processor is one thing extreme overclockers have been working on for many years now. Typically called lapping, extreme overclockers finely sand down the IHS to make it a more flat and even surface. The aim is to reduce gaps by sanding out imperfections or curvatures. This is so that the cooling plate of the CPU cooler makes better contact with the IHS, and it has been known to reduce CPU thermals by a decent amount.
Our Core i9-12900K IHS is 'relatively' flat and even.
Fellow enthusiast Igor Wallossek published an article on his website, Igorlabs.de, which investigates potential issues with the ILM (independent loading mechanism), which keeps the processor firmly in place within the socket. Doing some investigations myself, our testbed Core i9-12900K which we've used the most doesn't seem to show any noticeable gaps or abnormal curvatures when used with a metal ruler. This, however, changes when we install the CPU into an LGA1700 socket or into one of the readily available Z690 motherboards.
The rear of the Intel LGA1700 socket with Core i9-12900K installed
There have been many reports that installing an Alder Lake processor into one of the cheaper Z690 or B660 models causes the CPU socket to bend and the IHS itself. We saw no bending before installing our Alder Lake processor into the socket of the GIGABYTE Z690 Aorus Master, which is a premium board priced around $470. Installing the Core i9-12900K into the socket and locking the ILM into place, we saw noticeable bending on the rear of the board, as our picture above illustrates.
The implications of this are two-fold. Firstly, from a cooling standpoint, it will and can lead to increased thermals due to the gaps this creates between the cold plate of the cooler and the IHS on the CPU. While thermal paste will generally fill some of the gaps, the problem is the nature of the gap and its size that the increased pressure the ILM creates. The second and perhaps the most fundamental part of this, it should NOT be happening.
Buildzoid 'rambles' about the LGA1700 washer mod, a potential fix?
While PCBs can be flexible, the nature of heat creating further expansion could lead to damaged sockets damaged processors and ultimately leave users with an expensive headache. There's also the potential to create permanent bends in the PCB area around the socket. This is not a good thing. It should be noted that LGA1700 motherboards either use ILM's manufacturers by Lotes or Foxconn, but it's reported that both ILMs are affected by this issue.
Fundamentally, there are a couple of potential workarounds to the issue, including a large, robust backplate. Still, on some of the AIO coolers, we have seen recently, these usually come with flimsy plastic backplates. Another potential fix is installing four washers to alleviate the issue. Both Igorlabs.de and Buildzoid have posted content detailing this, with Igor Wallossek doing some testing using washers of a different thickness to show variation.
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mode_13h - Tuesday, March 8, 2022 - link> The Apple Lisa had ECC. That was 1983 tech.
Integrated circuit fabrication technology changes and no doubt DRAM chip design, along with it. Maybe memory errors were relatively more common, in the memory available at the time, and Lisa surely needed a lot of it.
mode_13h - Tuesday, March 8, 2022 - linkThe problem with ECC is that it adds cost. So, if merely adequate stability can be delivered without it, then they're not going to require it.
Oxford Guy - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - linkJEDEC has been baffling for quite some time now. No ECC mandate yet ultra-high latency with low clocks in the name of stability.
Cooe - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - linkThe Ryzen 3 5300G APU has literally HALF the amount of L3 cache as other Zen 3 CPU's, so trying to use that part to claim AMD couldn't be make a competitive quad core CPU right now if they needed to based on just that data alone is pretty god-tier idiotic. I expect better of this site.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - linkOk, so where is the Ryzen quad core with all that cache?
lmcd - Thursday, March 3, 2022 - linkDisabled with the cores that had the cache. Oh wait!
Targon - Friday, March 4, 2022 - linkAMD went from 4 core per CCX with the Zen2 generation to 8 core per CCD in the Zen3 generation. As a result, AMD doesn't have non-APU chips with only 4 cores. Monolithic design means AMD isn't using chiplets for that 5300G. If you are limited by fab capacity, do you divert a lot of capacity for low-margin and low end products?
Zen4 may switch things up a bit, or, AMD could potentially put low end Zen4 on 7nm since having the best efficiency and performance won't be needed for the low end products.
Calin - Friday, March 4, 2022 - linkAMD couldn't make a competitive 4-core Zen3 CPU at the price Intel is selling their latest generation. Comparisons with cheaper or more expensive processors is useful only to a point...
And making a true comparison (i.e. platform costs) is a quagmire of "if this, if that, if ...".
Not to mention that - at least for a while - the prices will be volatile, so no comparison based on "price bracket" will be long-lived.
Targon - Friday, March 4, 2022 - linkWhen Zen3 chiplets are based around 8 cores per CCD, the only quad-core chips will be monolithic APUs. With any luck, AMD will relegate Ryzen 3 CPUs to 7nm while Ryzen 5, 7, and 9 will be on 5nm.
lmcd - Friday, March 4, 2022 - link7 and 5 don't necessarily share the same libraries and quirks. That's a lot of engineering resources for questionable gain. I don't disagree that it'd be nice but I don't think it's likely.