4000 series was delayed thanks to human malware anyways. This is a good thing we can get more life out of current 3000 platform before even thinking of upgrade.
What life? These will barely be any faster then the 3000s that are already widely available. These are no different then the i9 9900ks or the i7 8086k, both of which were labeled as milking products.
Unlike Intel, AMD's marketting hasnt made any bold claims about XT CPUs. These XT seem like a stop-gap solution at best until Sept when when AMD might launch 4000 series of CPUs. Anyone who has already purchased 3000 series CPUs can stretch their upgrade cycle a little longer due to delay and not even bother about XT.
I suppose you could just stare at a TV show or movie and not use any brain cells at all, at least games challenge you and make you use your brain. More Adults game than kids, in fact in the US only 21% of gamers are under 18. Get an education mate clearly games are not just for children.
I haven't play an AAA release in years. Indie games like Opus Magnum and the dual stick shooter Nex Machina have more play time on this PC than any other games... Recently downloaded Evil Genius (bought it when it was new) and looks like alot of the bugs were fixed. Also have been playing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing HD - Final Cut - missed it when it was current.
Not every game is great - most of the Sony and MS console releases are flashy with little gameplay involved - shiny images for the kiddies..
Someone using a name from an ivy league school complaining about the status quo seems ironic to me. It's almost like you don't know how to find anything that isn't mainstream...
Even intel can crunch a few more frames, it does it consuming way more power. Considering how many cpu are on this planet and the environmental cost of electricity, only an idiot buys intel now if not strictly necessary. Why anyone should waste so much power
Because games are better optimized for Intel CPUs, since these are the CPUs developers assume most gamers have (a chicken & egg scenario). It will not matter with Zen 3 though. Optimization or not it is going to surpass all Skylake derivatives, even in games.
Rocket Lake might be a bit faster, but due to the old node its power efficiency will be atrocious (it will probably require 2 - 3 times the TDP of Zen 3 to beat it), particularly if Intel pushes its clocks beyond the limits of its μarch and process node. Both performance and efficiency will come in the form of Alder Lake (Golden Cove cores and Gen13 iGPU, i.e. the second gen of Xe).
But I doubt this is going to be released before Q1 2022 - Q4 2021 if all the gods of the Earth give Intel their blessing. It is going to compete against Zen 4, which will be fabbed at 5nm and its AVX block will be upgraded to AVX-512, which will negate Intel's edge on the (still very few) programs that make use of this AVX variant. Oh, Zen 4 will also increase cores again (Zen 3 will not), so Intel can say goodbye to any multi-core performance lead.
By the way, Intel have not fully sorted their 10nm process node issues. They are still unable to fab 10nm parts in high volume. Ice Lake was/is low volume, and the same is expected for Tiger Lake (hence the reason for the existence of Rocket Lake). They *hope* to reach HVM of 10nm by the time Alder Lake is to be fabbed, i.e. in a year or so from now.
p.s. Tiger Lake will also have a higher performance 8-core -H variant, not only -U and -Y like Ice Lake which are limited to 4 cores due to low yields. So I guess rather than low volume Intel might manage *mid* volume manufacturing with Tiger Lake. Instead of 1 Ice Lake laptop for each 4 Comet Lake laptops (at best, I might be too generous) that hit the market we might have 1 Tiger Lake laptop for each 2 Comet/Rocket/other(?) Lake laptops.
But hey, that's not stopping every ill-informed dingbat, fanboy and shill from showing up to say otherwise. I'm pretty sure you're not the first of those three, but the jury's out on the latter two.
Please stop spreading misinformation. AMD has stated repeatedly (including very recently) that Zen 3 is coming later this year.
Furthermore, if they wanted to delay, they could easily have done a real refresh. The silicon in current chips supports a 125w 4.1 ghz/ 4.8 ghz configuration (for the 3900X, base clocks even higher for lower core count chips). They would just need to make the modifications to do it.
Looks like they are stretching the release cycle out since Ryzen 3000 is already doing so well and Intel essentially has no answer for it. This is here just to steal a bit of thunder (if there was any) from Intel's 10th gen.
I get it but if they are going to do mid cycle refresh like this they should boost base as well as turbo otherwise its kinda pointless.
Yeah no answer except for 10x the sales. AMD is realizing that they are cannibalizing their line by trying to release something every 9 months - if they just got it right to begin with, they would not need this frantic release schedule - plus they are running out of what Keller left them...
He really does like congratulating Intel for already being larger than AMD.
I did enjoy the "if they just got it right to begin with" bit, because Zen 2 went so *badly*, while Intel have *never* chosen/had to tweak an architecture mid-refresh... except for Cannonlake (abandoned) and Skylake (how many tweaks now?) and Haswell and oh...
"Looks like they are stretching the release cycle out"
How are they stretching it? Zen2 released last July. AMD said the would release a new generation every 4-6 quarters (12-18 months). It hasn't even been 12, let alone 18. September is 14months, right in line with what they have been doing.
Probably not. This Zen 2 refresh is probably weighted more towards OEMs with a few refreshed consumer products too. It wasn't a top-to-bottom refresh, which would be more indicative of a potential delay in future product pipeline availability. This looks more like AMD not giving up its foundry time slots and wafer allocations at TSMC, and they can quietly slip these refreshes into EPYC silicon too to offer even more perf/W.
AMD needs to stay consistent and offer new products to OEMs and server/datacenter distributors to continue to migrate and/or offer AMD products in their stacks (market channels). AMD's server market share is still quite low simply because this market is slow to change, but AMD is actively being considered in more places due to superiority of product offerings.
Sure, these parts have launch prices for original models, but many of the original parts are now almost 100$ or even lower than the original price. So for 100 bucks I get 200mhz?
With X cpus widely available well below list, I don't see any reason to rush out and pay list for the XT versions. With the B550 boards becoming available, it will be interesting to see where the street prices land.
With the exception of the 3900XT, I don't see the problem. The 3600X and 3800X were already marginally faster versions of the 3600 and 3700X. Anyone who previously considered the 3600X and 3800X should have no problem considering the 3600XT and 3800XT for their extra performance
wait until a few weeks after launch - that $100 seems to be the early adopter tax - can't imagine they would release such a minor update and then up the prices.
Some were speculating that the IF might go to 2Ghz on these. It would be nice to know if is that case or not. Oh well, I guess we'll see when the reviews hit in July (if not leaked earlier).
Launching at the same price as the X versions with minor turbo bumps, it looks to me like these are essentially replacements. I would guess that the X inventory will dry up and XT will be what's available. This feels less like adding to the stack than evolving the stack a little.
Bit of a side note but it would be nice to see if AMD could do something to open up overclocking a bit more on Zen. This is a bit of hunch but it seems to be like these XTs show there is a bit more potential than what is being made accessible. It seems like overclocking with Zen is bumping up against limits in the internal boost / thermal limits no matter what unless you go sub ambient. Maybe its not really possible but it would be a nice bonus if AMD could open overclocking a bit more.
That's a weird framing for a product where you don't need to fiddle to get the best performance from the silicon you pay for, and it outperforms the competition at stock.
I definitely feel like StoreMI was solving this problem. I built a new gaming PC and decided to use it so that I could just put in a massing mechanical drive and never worry about space, but so that games I'm actively playing would be on the M.2 drive...
Ug, no edit. I actually didn't StoreMI my M.2. I had a SATA SSD I was rolling over to the new build that I did that with, so I still did some active selection to put some games on my M.2 and then the bulk of my library on the StoreMI drive...
These XT CPUs are meant for people who haven't bought yet, imo. According to the chart here, only the 3800XT gets a 100MHz bump for the base clock. It will be interesting to see how these bench...;) But I'm not likely to buy one as my 3900XT hits 4.65GHz single-core boost regularly--I have seen it as high 4.699GHz, but only once. I don't overvolt or overclock except through PBO. I wonder what else has changed internally, if anything. We shall see soon, I hope.
There is no bump on the base clock for the 3800XT both are at 3.9ghz. These chips will need a FLCK of 2000 with the turbo boost + Paired with DDR4 4000 memory to be worth anything if you ask me.
This gives me another reason to delay building my new PC until 2021. With new CPUs, GPUs, and SSDs on the horizon, mid to late 2021 should be a pretty good time to build a new system.
X570 fanless chipset is still expensive and all X570 top end boards are still damned expensive. I was about to buy them but waited for Z490 and Zen 2 now after seeing LGA1200 Rocket Lake incoming with gen 4 Z590 now will again have to wait, also AMD is delaying the Zen 3 and X670 now. Unfortunate.
Ryzen I9? they are really frantic and they know their day in the Sun is finished... They are delaying Zen3 because they know when Intel starts releasing the new, that there will be very little oxygen left for them... PCIe4 finally going mainstream and not just niche products.
Hahahahaha screenshot-ted your comment, can't wait to see the salt when AMD Ryzen 4000 releases, also running out of Keller stuff? How ignorant of you to think that only he alone designed the whole CPU from the millions of lines of verilog codes to transistor, power plane routing etc. Also it's utterly embarrassing for a company like Intel to loose to a much much smaller company with puny R&D hahahahaha :P
I'm concerned by the timing of this release. My CPU budget is $500. I was hoping for a Zen 3 variant of the 3900X around black Friday. My first reaction to learning about this XT refresh is that Zen 3 has been delayed, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
So something has to give. Either AMD will lower XT's price fairly quickly or Zen 3 is going to be more expensive (or a bit of both).
AMD will most likely not want to keep using 7nm wafer buys for the 3000 series once the 4000 series is out, so I suspect they'd be dropping the price of the chips they already have to flush out inventory.
This looks like them responding to Intel's "10th gen" with similar tweaks of their own. I don't think it's liable to mean a delay, but I'd be happy to revise that impression with more data.
Here we go again with technical speculation from a philosophy major. You don't even know what "BKM" and "PDK" really mean do you? The increased frequency is just a bin split thing taking advantage of the maturity of the process OR it could just be a simple reduction in a guardband that was discovered to be too high in the first place. If you are going to comment on silicon manufacturing take some time to learn about it.
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Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
No A420 ):<How will XT's process node/libraries differ from Zen 3? It's annoying looking for resources from TSMC about them
Flunk - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
It won't be, these are just new Ryzen models of the same design and fab process, only the stock clocks are different.Flunk - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
I'm kinda concerned this means that Ryzen 4000 will be delayed.Chaitanya - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
4000 series was delayed thanks to human malware anyways. This is a good thing we can get more life out of current 3000 platform before even thinking of upgrade.TheinsanegamerN - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
What life? These will barely be any faster then the 3000s that are already widely available. These are no different then the i9 9900ks or the i7 8086k, both of which were labeled as milking products.Chaitanya - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Unlike Intel, AMD's marketting hasnt made any bold claims about XT CPUs. These XT seem like a stop-gap solution at best until Sept when when AMD might launch 4000 series of CPUs. Anyone who has already purchased 3000 series CPUs can stretch their upgrade cycle a little longer due to delay and not even bother about XT.MetaCube - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Intel is still has the fastest gaming CPUs.Ashinjuka - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Video gaming is for children.Deadzy - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
I suppose you could just stare at a TV show or movie and not use any brain cells at all, at least games challenge you and make you use your brain. More Adults game than kids, in fact in the US only 21% of gamers are under 18. Get an education mate clearly games are not just for children.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Unfortunately, the selection of games stinks. It's a narrow-minded industry with a mediocre vision.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I haven't play an AAA release in years. Indie games like Opus Magnum and the dual stick shooter Nex Machina have more play time on this PC than any other games... Recently downloaded Evil Genius (bought it when it was new) and looks like alot of the bugs were fixed. Also have been playing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing HD - Final Cut - missed it when it was current.Not every game is great - most of the Sony and MS console releases are flashy with little gameplay involved - shiny images for the kiddies..
littlebitstrouds - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Someone using a name from an ivy league school complaining about the status quo seems ironic to me. It's almost like you don't know how to find anything that isn't mainstream...Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
I am willing to bet you, mister adult, have an embarrassing collection of manga for little girlsSantoval - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
It's really not.Spunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Nobody games at 720p. Almost nobody buying a premium system games at 1080p, either.umano - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Even intel can crunch a few more frames, it does it consuming way more power. Considering how many cpu are on this planet and the environmental cost of electricity, only an idiot buys intel now if not strictly necessary. Why anyone should waste so much powerumano - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Even ifSantoval - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Because games are better optimized for Intel CPUs, since these are the CPUs developers assume most gamers have (a chicken & egg scenario). It will not matter with Zen 3 though. Optimization or not it is going to surpass all Skylake derivatives, even in games.Rocket Lake might be a bit faster, but due to the old node its power efficiency will be atrocious (it will probably require 2 - 3 times the TDP of Zen 3 to beat it), particularly if Intel pushes its clocks beyond the limits of its μarch and process node. Both performance and efficiency will come in the form of Alder Lake (Golden Cove cores and Gen13 iGPU, i.e. the second gen of Xe).
But I doubt this is going to be released before Q1 2022 - Q4 2021 if all the gods of the Earth give Intel their blessing. It is going to compete against Zen 4, which will be fabbed at 5nm and its AVX block will be upgraded to AVX-512, which will negate Intel's edge on the (still very few) programs that make use of this AVX variant. Oh, Zen 4 will also increase cores again (Zen 3 will not), so Intel can say goodbye to any multi-core performance lead.
By the way, Intel have not fully sorted their 10nm process node issues. They are still unable to fab 10nm parts in high volume. Ice Lake was/is low volume, and the same is expected for Tiger Lake (hence the reason for the existence of Rocket Lake). They *hope* to reach HVM of 10nm by the time Alder Lake is to be fabbed, i.e. in a year or so from now.
Santoval - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
p.s. Tiger Lake will also have a higher performance 8-core -H variant, not only -U and -Y like Ice Lake which are limited to 4 cores due to low yields. So I guess rather than low volume Intel might manage *mid* volume manufacturing with Tiger Lake. Instead of 1 Ice Lake laptop for each 4 Comet Lake laptops (at best, I might be too generous) that hit the market we might have 1 Tiger Lake laptop for each 2 Comet/Rocket/other(?) Lake laptops.TristanSDX - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
definitely not. Zen2 refresh is not any investment into Zen 2, which would be indicator for Zen 3 delayDeicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
except it has been reported Zen3 - 2021The_Countess - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Yes, by digitimes, who also said zen 3 would be made 5nm.They wrong on both counts.
Korguz - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
oh ?? by who Deicidium369 ? post a link, if not, its just more of your bs and fud, like always.Spunjji - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
And the reports were categorically false:https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-4000-delay-rumou...
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/311836-amd-d...
https://www.techpowerup.com/268650/amd-confirms-ve...
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/no-zen-3-based-a...
But hey, that's not stopping every ill-informed dingbat, fanboy and shill from showing up to say otherwise. I'm pretty sure you're not the first of those three, but the jury's out on the latter two.
Korguz - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
too bad he doesnt base his posts on facts, even when presented with proof, he still insists he is right and everyone else is wrong.danjw - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
I had seen something a few days ago that Ryzen 4000 desktop parts were going to launch at CES 2021. This seems to confirm that.eek2121 - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Please stop spreading misinformation. AMD has stated repeatedly (including very recently) that Zen 3 is coming later this year.Furthermore, if they wanted to delay, they could easily have done a real refresh. The silicon in current chips supports a 125w 4.1 ghz/ 4.8 ghz configuration (for the 3900X, base clocks even higher for lower core count chips). They would just need to make the modifications to do it.
Spunjji - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Or nothttps://www.techradar.com/uk/news/no-zen-3-based-a...
Operandi - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Looks like they are stretching the release cycle out since Ryzen 3000 is already doing so well and Intel essentially has no answer for it. This is here just to steal a bit of thunder (if there was any) from Intel's 10th gen.I get it but if they are going to do mid cycle refresh like this they should boost base as well as turbo otherwise its kinda pointless.
Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Yeah no answer except for 10x the sales. AMD is realizing that they are cannibalizing their line by trying to release something every 9 months - if they just got it right to begin with, they would not need this frantic release schedule - plus they are running out of what Keller left them...Spunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Survival of the fattest...Korguz - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
more fud from Deicidium369, like alwaysSpunjji - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
He really does like congratulating Intel for already being larger than AMD.I did enjoy the "if they just got it right to begin with" bit, because Zen 2 went so *badly*, while Intel have *never* chosen/had to tweak an architecture mid-refresh... except for Cannonlake (abandoned) and Skylake (how many tweaks now?) and Haswell and oh...
Fataliity - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
"Looks like they are stretching the release cycle out"How are they stretching it? Zen2 released last July. AMD said the would release a new generation every 4-6 quarters (12-18 months). It hasn't even been 12, let alone 18. September is 14months, right in line with what they have been doing.
JasonMZW20 - Tuesday, June 30, 2020 - link
Probably not. This Zen 2 refresh is probably weighted more towards OEMs with a few refreshed consumer products too. It wasn't a top-to-bottom refresh, which would be more indicative of a potential delay in future product pipeline availability. This looks more like AMD not giving up its foundry time slots and wafer allocations at TSMC, and they can quietly slip these refreshes into EPYC silicon too to offer even more perf/W.AMD needs to stay consistent and offer new products to OEMs and server/datacenter distributors to continue to migrate and/or offer AMD products in their stacks (market channels). AMD's server market share is still quite low simply because this market is slow to change, but AMD is actively being considered in more places due to superiority of product offerings.
yeeeeman - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Sure, these parts have launch prices for original models, but many of the original parts are now almost 100$ or even lower than the original price. So for 100 bucks I get 200mhz?mrvco - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
With X cpus widely available well below list, I don't see any reason to rush out and pay list for the XT versions. With the B550 boards becoming available, it will be interesting to see where the street prices land.ET - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
With the exception of the 3900XT, I don't see the problem. The 3600X and 3800X were already marginally faster versions of the 3600 and 3700X. Anyone who previously considered the 3600X and 3800X should have no problem considering the 3600XT and 3800XT for their extra performanceBenSkywalker - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
I paid $338.99 for my 3800X, at $20 more than the 3700 it made sense when I bought it. A $100 premium.... Not so much.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
wait until a few weeks after launch - that $100 seems to be the early adopter tax - can't imagine they would release such a minor update and then up the prices.TheWereCat - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
I wonder if it will be possible to clock IF to 1900MHz+ more consistently on those.romrunning - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Some were speculating that the IF might go to 2Ghz on these. It would be nice to know if is that case or not. Oh well, I guess we'll see when the reviews hit in July (if not leaked earlier).Yaldabaoth - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
"Matisse Refresh"scineram - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Ryzen 3000 Super.Makaveli - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
so no change on base and only boost clock increase meh.Gonna be a disappointment for everyone hyping up this refresh.
Spunjji - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Was anybody seriously expecting more?Colin1497 - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Launching at the same price as the X versions with minor turbo bumps, it looks to me like these are essentially replacements. I would guess that the X inventory will dry up and XT will be what's available. This feels less like adding to the stack than evolving the stack a little.haukionkannel - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Not likely. There Are now more very highend chiplets, but not all can get that high so normal x and non x versions will remain as cheaper options!azfacea - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Et tu AMD ???Operandi - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Bit of a side note but it would be nice to see if AMD could do something to open up overclocking a bit more on Zen. This is a bit of hunch but it seems to be like these XTs show there is a bit more potential than what is being made accessible. It seems like overclocking with Zen is bumping up against limits in the internal boost / thermal limits no matter what unless you go sub ambient. Maybe its not really possible but it would be a nice bonus if AMD could open overclocking a bit more.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
They are straining to get somewhat decent clocks to release - there is no head room... you get a pre overclocked CPU from AMDSpunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
That's a weird framing for a product where you don't need to fiddle to get the best performance from the silicon you pay for, and it outperforms the competition at stock.Fataliity - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
The recent chips have been already clocking this high for 3600X / 3700X. Versus chips released last year.R3MF - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Re: StoreMI 2.0Hopefully designed to solve a different problem, i.e.
How to keep up with the massive throughput advantage of the new consoles (h/ware + s/ware combined)?
Hopefully using a spare M.2 drive as a asset cache somehow...
Colin1497 - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
I definitely feel like StoreMI was solving this problem. I built a new gaming PC and decided to use it so that I could just put in a massing mechanical drive and never worry about space, but so that games I'm actively playing would be on the M.2 drive...Colin1497 - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Ug, no edit. I actually didn't StoreMI my M.2. I had a SATA SSD I was rolling over to the new build that I did that with, so I still did some active selection to put some games on my M.2 and then the bulk of my library on the StoreMI drive...I wasn't THAT confident in how it would work. :)
WaltC - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
These XT CPUs are meant for people who haven't bought yet, imo. According to the chart here, only the 3800XT gets a 100MHz bump for the base clock. It will be interesting to see how these bench...;) But I'm not likely to buy one as my 3900XT hits 4.65GHz single-core boost regularly--I have seen it as high 4.699GHz, but only once. I don't overvolt or overclock except through PBO. I wonder what else has changed internally, if anything. We shall see soon, I hope.Makaveli - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
There is no bump on the base clock for the 3800XT both are at 3.9ghz. These chips will need a FLCK of 2000 with the turbo boost + Paired with DDR4 4000 memory to be worth anything if you ask me.scineram - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
StoreMI completely pointless. Stop wasting money.Stochastic - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
This gives me another reason to delay building my new PC until 2021. With new CPUs, GPUs, and SSDs on the horizon, mid to late 2021 should be a pretty good time to build a new system.Quantumz0d - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
X570 fanless chipset is still expensive and all X570 top end boards are still damned expensive. I was about to buy them but waited for Z490 and Zen 2 now after seeing LGA1200 Rocket Lake incoming with gen 4 Z590 now will again have to wait, also AMD is delaying the Zen 3 and X670 now. Unfortunate.psyclist80 - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
Gordon from PCWorld has denounced those rumors, saying Zen3 is still on track for this year.Spunjji - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
FUD on the Zen 3 delay.https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/no-zen-3-based-a...
HardwareDufus - Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - link
this announcement means I won't be building my Ryzen I9-4950 Zen3 16core machine in 2020. But rather after tax season 2021.Deicidium369 - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Ryzen I9? they are really frantic and they know their day in the Sun is finished... They are delaying Zen3 because they know when Intel starts releasing the new, that there will be very little oxygen left for them... PCIe4 finally going mainstream and not just niche products.Sheepsfff - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Hahahahaha screenshot-ted your comment, can't wait to see the salt when AMD Ryzen 4000 releases, also running out of Keller stuff? How ignorant of you to think that only he alone designed the whole CPU from the millions of lines of verilog codes to transistor, power plane routing etc. Also it's utterly embarrassing for a company like Intel to loose to a much much smaller company with puny R&D hahahahaha :PSpunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
Wheres the evidence of a delay to Zen 3?Korguz - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
in his mind maybe ?awaydrawing - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
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I'm concerned by the timing of this release. My CPU budget is $500. I was hoping for a Zen 3 variant of the 3900X around black Friday. My first reaction to learning about this XT refresh is that Zen 3 has been delayed, but that doesn't seem to be the case.So something has to give. Either AMD will lower XT's price fairly quickly or Zen 3 is going to be more expensive (or a bit of both).
Thoughts?
Spunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
AMD will most likely not want to keep using 7nm wafer buys for the 3000 series once the 4000 series is out, so I suspect they'd be dropping the price of the chips they already have to flush out inventory.This looks like them responding to Intel's "10th gen" with similar tweaks of their own. I don't think it's liable to mean a delay, but I'd be happy to revise that impression with more data.
Spunjji - Wednesday, June 17, 2020 - link
There are a weird number of complaints about this, and I don't understand why. It's good to see AMD executing the way Intel used to.jjjag - Saturday, June 20, 2020 - link
Here we go again with technical speculation from a philosophy major. You don't even know what "BKM" and "PDK" really mean do you? The increased frequency is just a bin split thing taking advantage of the maturity of the process OR it could just be a simple reduction in a guardband that was discovered to be too high in the first place. If you are going to comment on silicon manufacturing take some time to learn about it.DonMiguel85 - Monday, June 22, 2020 - link
They updated the StoreMI description on their site:AMD StoreMI technology has been rebuilt from the ground up with a new algorithm that makes it safe and simple to use. Now, a StoreMI configuration simply mirrors your most-used files to an SSD of your choosing, leaving the original copy intact. The software seamlessly redirects Windows® and your applications to use the faster mirrored copy. Removing or disabling the SSD cache leaves all of your files on the hard drive, right where they started.
AMD StoreMI technology is easier than ever to use with an updated interface. See all the drives on your system, configure AMD StoreMI, and monitor its settings all from an easy control panel.
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