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• Manch - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link

  Dude, save your breath. Chizow=NVIDIA troll. He treats his own and everyone elses speculation as fact as long as it suits him. He can't be honest about the merit of a product. Fanboys are impossible to have a conversation with.

• chizow - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link

  @Manch let's gauge your AMD troll meter. AMD 300 series = rebrand or not? :)

• Manch - Thursday, June 18, 2015 - link

  Most will be respins/rebrands. HBM is simply un-affordable at the mid-range and lower end cards. So if the cards all move down a notch on the performance list and are priced accordingly, I'm fine with it. One thing they need to do is make them all GCN 1.2 or whatever the latest is. If not they don't need to be in the 300 series. The exception to that would be the budget cards. You shouldnt however have a budget card that has lets say true audio and offer GCN 1.2, then the next card up the chain offer a 15% perf bump but then lack true audio and only be GCN 1.1. That's just confusing to customers and will piss them off when they realized their new shiny card doesnt supt the latest features. NVIDIA can do the same thing. If they respun/rebadged a 980 into a 1070 or whatever their next series will be I would be OK with that as long as its price goes down with it's level in the series tier. Then I'd pick one up and SLI it with my 980. As far as cooling goes, AMD can't bust out with some BS cooler that doesnt work. They need to take a cue from NVIDIA and put a really good ref cooler on the card. Third Party vendors have put excellent coolers on the 290 series cards and they run nice and cool, dissipating the heat very well, no throttling and even allowing for a bit of overclock. For the new Fury cards with the HBM, I think they should release an top end air cooled version as well as teh AIO WC. For air cooling if they dont do it themselves, they should have a release partner that has one available. AMD needs customers to stay, and they want customers to come back. Doing this will give customers options. Plus it will show customers that the card isn't show inherently inefficient that they have to resort to AIO WC only just to get it to stay competitive.

• loguerto - Thursday, June 18, 2015 - link

  Actually at this price point GCN cards are very good products, i have a hawaii card and i'm throwing all i can on it, and it never disappointed me.

• chizow - Thursday, June 18, 2015 - link

  @Manch: So you do agree that there is significant market confusion that results from AMD's rebrand strategy? So why do you think I am just trolling when coming to these same conclusions and bringing them to light when AMD's biggest fanboys/supporters are busy sweeping them under the rug? Certainly from your own very well formulated and thought out concerns, a less educated/informed consumer should be able to benefit from that same level of understanding and knowledge?
  
  Voicing your concerns as you did are what give you better products, not apologizing/defending and being a homer for the team you root for. If you bothered to go back and look you would see I was VERY critical of what Nvidia did with the Kepler GK104 and GK110 launches (leading to Titan) and beyond that I am very vocal about issues I run into when using their products, but the difference is, I'm actually CRITICAL about them and not busy sweeping them under the rug, because I *KNOW* Nvidia listens and will fix them if the issues are brought to light. Just food for thought. :)

• Manch - Sunday, June 21, 2015 - link

  I've now seen there line up, though I'm waiting on benchmarks. I don't see how they're going to charge 100$ more for a respin/rebadge. I was hoping the 390X would be released at current 290X 8GB prices. Usually every generation a rebadge moves down a notch not take up the same spot on the line up or go up in price. It would need to have significant improvement which I just don't see. I guess only the Fury cards are GCN 1.2 That at least eliminates confusion being that is at the top end only. I haven't read up on what the difference is though. I'm not terribly concerned with 8GB frame buffers either. Most games right now don't take advantage of 4GB @ 4k resolutions. There are exceptions SoM for example uses about 5GB I think. If they are actually paying attention to how the memory is being used and their compression algorithms are that much better than the previous gen then it shouldn't be an issue. I however will not be buying any cards from either NVIDIA or AMD. I only buy every other gen at the min. I already have two 290X 8GB and a 980. I'm good for right now.
  
  Not everything you say is bunk. The fact that you think NVIDA can do no wrong and how you say things makes you come of as a troll. You're making a lot of assumptions before benchmarks or anything else is released. Some conjecture is easy enough to do as it will not take a huge leap of faith to guess how the 390's will perform but no one has solid benchmarks on fury yet, whether it will overclock, throttle, or if it gives off a rose like smell when its cooking along. As far as you being critical of NVIDIA? that may be the case in a few instances but you absolutely flame AMD for anything and everything. Your last statement about you KNOW Nvidia will listen is kinda funny. They like every other company will *listen* if there is enough outcry and it can expect to hurt sales. Good example is locking out overclocking on the mobile GPU's or AMDs crossfire issues. It took them a whole other chip to "fix" that which is why I've ever cross fired or SLI'd anything up until now. I hope the Fury X and diet Fury or whatever its called do relly well. I want them to put price pressure on Nvidia for once so I can get a second 980 for cheap.
  
  As far as you being a troll, yeah I think you're trolling. If you were more even handed with your criticism, then it would give greater weight to your arguments. As it stands now, people largely treat your comments as trolling as do I.

• D. Lister - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link

  "The software engineers were working on Mantle"
  
  If they spent their valuable time working on their drivers, both AMD and their customers would have been better off.

• chizow - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link

  Yep, even that would've been a more worthwhile endeavour, I just don't see why people think these decisions are made in a vacuum without any repercussions on other parts of the business. AMD's downfall is just a domino effect of multiple bad decisions, beginning with the over-valued acquisition of ATI.

• chizow - Wednesday, June 17, 2015 - link

  Gigaplex, of course it did, because AMD leadership green lighted and pink slipped either/or. Its really simple, someone in their graphics division OK'd spending money on Mantle instead of allocating those funds into saving R&D jobs, and now we see the ramifications. Mantle is dead, years wasted, money wasted funding EA/DICE's development of Mantle and implementing it in-game. 1 new ASIC since 2013 and a bunch of rebrands, instead of a new set of ASICs to complement Fiji.

• loguerto - Thursday, June 18, 2015 - link

  wasting resources on Mantle? ok you asked for it ..
  
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