"For 6k you could get 4x4TB evos which will give you 16TB at 2gb/sec in raid 0. Not too shabby."
Except that a RAID card that supports that speed will cost you 6K by itself, and the whole thing will take up 4 bays. These drives are meant for businesses where the cost of the whole system is the biggest concern, not individual parts.
Try more like 0.6k for the controller card. And it should go without saying this solution is not a substitute in the context of enterprise, where you would probably be getting multiple of those drives, but for people looking to put plenty of fast SSD storage in their PCs it will get you the same capacity at better speed at half the cost.
BTW if you take the PCBs out of the boxes you can actually fit 4 evos in the space this 15mm device occupies. You just need a very basic assembly to hold it together - 4 bolts 4 nuts and a few spacers. Works like a charm if you want to cram SSDs in tiny space, and since they are spaced apart and there is airflow around them, they actually work better than being in their boxes.
4 Evo's even in a "very basic assembly" just wont scale up. If you a consumer and you want that much storage and your only interested in 15TB, then yeah the evo's are probably your better bet. But these datacenters/server farms are all about scale. And the IT Arch's who decide what to buy like simplicity and warranty/power/performance
Poor value as defined by who? Certainly not for the datacenters that are snapping them up as fast as they can. Value to a business is VERY different than value to a consumer.
Things change. With 4k here (and 8k+ looming) there will be a need for larger storage and faster bandwidth. This will drive the industry. I realize that many on here don't hoard media. But this is a site for techies. I have a main rig that has 32GB of ram, an SSD, and water cooling. I have a file server with two controller cards and 8 hard drives, three of which are 4TB. I have a 29" ultrawide monitor. I built a dedicated HTPC this January that I control with an app on my phone. It's really crazy to see ATers tell others what they "don't need".
Why do you need so much storage? Surely you are buying your movies and not illegally downloading them. That much storage would have a decade of movies and TV shows on it. What are you legally doing with that much storage? For most people that don't horde, then I suspect that this is still overkill and in 3-5 years when what you are talking about is real, then the price per GB will be so low that price is not important.
When I was working at IBM, we were selling a fully loaded comput rack with SAN storage complete with software licenses for around this price, and many enterprise companies bought them.
So 2 42U cabinet's filled with the 15.36TB SSD's would hold the Library of Congress. Time to start making backup copies and put them in every university.
it made headlines once a while ago when announced; at the time it wasn't something you could just whip out your bosses corporate amex and buy a few dozen of to upgrade your SAN. Now you can because they're available trough conventional retail channels; and several lower capacity models have been added to the lineup.
I have 12TB in my home server spread across 7 3TB drives in a RAID array... 2 of these in RAID1 would provide the same amount of storage, plus redundancy, and only take 1 HDD worth of physical space and a ridiculously small fraction of the power... granted all that density and power sipping comes at a price, but I can't wait for it to come down!
This is definitely not 'one of the world’s most expensive commercial solid-state drives'. Look at some ssd parts in high-end storage arrays - they easily charge twice as much (and this is w/o license cost).
-- Look at some ssd parts in high-end storage arrays - they easily charge twice as much
or not... since such devices are sold like horses in the 19th century -- haggle a bit, then haggle a bit more. there is no true list price, and actual price will be the result of power balance betwixt buyer and seller.
Perhaps, but these ones support one full DWPD... that's way beyond the ballpark of the 4TB EVOs, as awesome as they may be.
And as for RAID-0 on SSDs, it's been a while (years) but I've read articles on people doing this and unless they have some really high-end RAID card solution, even though the sequential reads may improve, random reads can actually suffer as common controllers can't handle that many IOPS.
No, its not beyond EVOs (at least not that extremely conservative 1 DWPD). 1 DWPD for 5 years means only ~1825 write cycles which is exactly what google will answer if you ask for "samsung 850 evo p/e cycles" (answer is actually "Observed Number of P/E Cycles 1,987"). And that's expected - they are using the same NAND chips. Difference is in controller and its firmware and also one would assume they use cherry-picked dies for business customers.
The number of P/E cycles isn't the same as endurance. TBW and DWPD figures take write amplification into account, which is typically much higher in enterprise workloads than consumer. In addition, TBW and DWPD figures are the warranty figures - the drive may be usable for longer but it's no longer covered by the warranty.
Yes, there is some write amplification, but the point is, they are using same dies (perhaps better samples, but that's all). On the side note - i'm not so sure as you are, that drive write is the same thing as host write (what you are describing).
"The expansion of the lineup demonstrates Samsung’s confidence that its third-generation V-NAND TLC memory is reliable enough for enterprise usage scenarios"
lol, yeah, because Samsung has NEVER used the public as its beta tester before
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nathanddrews - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
Too bad I just bought a car instead. ;-)https://youtu.be/BSv0Qk10xMc
ddriver - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
For 6k you could get 4x4TB evos which will give you 16TB at 2gb/sec in raid 0. Not too shabby.basroil - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
"For 6k you could get 4x4TB evos which will give you 16TB at 2gb/sec in raid 0. Not too shabby."Except that a RAID card that supports that speed will cost you 6K by itself, and the whole thing will take up 4 bays. These drives are meant for businesses where the cost of the whole system is the biggest concern, not individual parts.
ddriver - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
Try more like 0.6k for the controller card. And it should go without saying this solution is not a substitute in the context of enterprise, where you would probably be getting multiple of those drives, but for people looking to put plenty of fast SSD storage in their PCs it will get you the same capacity at better speed at half the cost.BTW if you take the PCBs out of the boxes you can actually fit 4 evos in the space this 15mm device occupies. You just need a very basic assembly to hold it together - 4 bolts 4 nuts and a few spacers. Works like a charm if you want to cram SSDs in tiny space, and since they are spaced apart and there is airflow around them, they actually work better than being in their boxes.
Morawka - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
4 Evo's even in a "very basic assembly" just wont scale up. If you a consumer and you want that much storage and your only interested in 15TB, then yeah the evo's are probably your better bet. But these datacenters/server farms are all about scale. And the IT Arch's who decide what to buy like simplicity and warranty/power/performanceretrospooty - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
Still, this is an enterprise class drive designed to go in servers. It's not for your home needs.Lolimaster - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
You don't need to raid0 SSD's,You want high sequential for things like heavy video editing get a single pci-e nvme 1.5-3TB SSD
ddriver - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
Poor value, low capacity, no deal.fanofanand - Tuesday, August 2, 2016 - link
Poor value as defined by who? Certainly not for the datacenters that are snapping them up as fast as they can. Value to a business is VERY different than value to a consumer.blackice85 - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
Oh man, I know it'll still be a few years minimum before we see drives anywhere near that capacity at regular consumer prices, but I can hardly wait.svan1971 - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
what are you going to do with 15 Terabytes of storage? Thats a hell of allot of porn and pirated movies...Death666Angel - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
Or, you know, ~350 to 400 legally ripped full blu rays? Which wouldn't even be my whole collection.svan1971 - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
sure i believe you....400 blu rays? hell you can afford the 10,000 thenDeath666Angel - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
When do you live, 2007? 37 BRs of Lost cost me 80€. That's 2.16€ per BR. 50€ for 10 BR is a normal sale on Amazon.Lolimaster - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
I prefer to archieve data with high chances of dissapearing from the net like anime bd-mkv and hentai manga/magazines.Hollywood movies can be found at any time.
bigboxes - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
Things change. With 4k here (and 8k+ looming) there will be a need for larger storage and faster bandwidth. This will drive the industry. I realize that many on here don't hoard media. But this is a site for techies. I have a main rig that has 32GB of ram, an SSD, and water cooling. I have a file server with two controller cards and 8 hard drives, three of which are 4TB. I have a 29" ultrawide monitor. I built a dedicated HTPC this January that I control with an app on my phone. It's really crazy to see ATers tell others what they "don't need".svan1971 - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
4k and 8k are just that "looming" and people can't seem to notice there is a difference between want and need.Hydrans - Tuesday, August 9, 2016 - link
Why do you need so much storage? Surely you are buying your movies and not illegally downloading them. That much storage would have a decade of movies and TV shows on it. What are you legally doing with that much storage? For most people that don't horde, then I suspect that this is still overkill and in 3-5 years when what you are talking about is real, then the price per GB will be so low that price is not important.Lolimaster - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
My own private in-house server consist of 4x6TB WD Blues. It's only enough for the next 5years.mrvco - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
aka Evidencevladx - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
IT'S HAPPENING ;)shabby - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
Lease Option ($321.73 /month)Thats not so bad...
stephenbrooks - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
That 15.4 PB 42U rack would cost 21*48*$9690 = $9.7M so might be a good idea to look out for discounts for buying in bulk.And make sure people can't put it in the back of a van and drive off with it...
caleblloyd - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
When I was working at IBM, we were selling a fully loaded comput rack with SAN storage complete with software licenses for around this price, and many enterprise companies bought them.costeakai - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
i'll buy a van , for starterUshio01 - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
So 2 42U cabinet's filled with the 15.36TB SSD's would hold the Library of Congress. Time to start making backup copies and put them in every university.iwod - Friday, July 29, 2016 - link
Can we expect to have these at quarter of the price in 2020?Kristian Vättö - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
A quarter is a reach, but ~40% of current price is probable assuming that NAND prices keep decreasing ~20% year over year.Pardus_Dev - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
Seems odd, that drive was manufactured over a year ago yet it just makes headlines now.DanNeely - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
it made headlines once a while ago when announced; at the time it wasn't something you could just whip out your bosses corporate amex and buy a few dozen of to upgrade your SAN. Now you can because they're available trough conventional retail channels; and several lower capacity models have been added to the lineup.CaedenV - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
I have 12TB in my home server spread across 7 3TB drives in a RAID array... 2 of these in RAID1 would provide the same amount of storage, plus redundancy, and only take 1 HDD worth of physical space and a ridiculously small fraction of the power... granted all that density and power sipping comes at a price, but I can't wait for it to come down!sna1970 - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
$6k for 7 tera ? since when making chips for a drive is seven times more expensive than making 10 cores cpu ? this is theft ..Kristian Vättö - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
There are 256 32GB dies in the 7.68TB PM1633. With each die being 99mm^2, that eats quite a bit more wafer area than a single 10-core CPU.nirwander - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
This is definitely not 'one of the world’s most expensive commercial solid-state drives'. Look at some ssd parts in high-end storage arrays - they easily charge twice as much (and this is w/o license cost).FunBunny2 - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
-- Look at some ssd parts in high-end storage arrays - they easily charge twice as muchor not... since such devices are sold like horses in the 19th century -- haggle a bit, then haggle a bit more. there is no true list price, and actual price will be the result of power balance betwixt buyer and seller.
LordanSS - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
Perhaps, but these ones support one full DWPD... that's way beyond the ballpark of the 4TB EVOs, as awesome as they may be.And as for RAID-0 on SSDs, it's been a while (years) but I've read articles on people doing this and unless they have some really high-end RAID card solution, even though the sequential reads may improve, random reads can actually suffer as common controllers can't handle that many IOPS.
qap - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
No, its not beyond EVOs (at least not that extremely conservative 1 DWPD). 1 DWPD for 5 years means only ~1825 write cycles which is exactly what google will answer if you ask for "samsung 850 evo p/e cycles" (answer is actually "Observed Number of P/E Cycles 1,987"). And that's expected - they are using the same NAND chips.Difference is in controller and its firmware and also one would assume they use cherry-picked dies for business customers.
Kristian Vättö - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
The number of P/E cycles isn't the same as endurance. TBW and DWPD figures take write amplification into account, which is typically much higher in enterprise workloads than consumer. In addition, TBW and DWPD figures are the warranty figures - the drive may be usable for longer but it's no longer covered by the warranty.qap - Sunday, July 31, 2016 - link
Yes, there is some write amplification, but the point is, they are using same dies (perhaps better samples, but that's all). On the side note - i'm not so sure as you are, that drive write is the same thing as host write (what you are describing).smilingcrow - Saturday, July 30, 2016 - link
Considering that 4x 850 EVO 4TB SATA drives have a RRP of ~$6,000 this doesn't seem that expensive.RU482 - Monday, August 1, 2016 - link
"The expansion of the lineup demonstrates Samsung’s confidence that its third-generation V-NAND TLC memory is reliable enough for enterprise usage scenarios"lol, yeah, because Samsung has NEVER used the public as its beta tester before
Rahim Khan - Tuesday, November 20, 2018 - link
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