Too bad, like most Logitech mouse, the clicker would give up after a few months of usage and you would keep on getting replacements till it has warranty.
This is the exact same shape as the Logitech G Pro which sells for considerably more. Only difference I can tell is the sensor - G Pro using the basically perfect Avago 3366. If this new sensor is comparable this G203 will be super popular as the G Pro is currently (IMHO) the best gaming mouse for FPS.
Yeah, this seems like a replacement for the G100s. It has two thumb buttons that the G100s didn't have, and a better sensor, but the shape is pretty much the same.
I have an original G5 that I have used till its finish rubbed off and the clicker is still fine. My Proteus Core is also over a year in with no problems. So I'm not sure what you mean by "most Logitech mouse" (sic!)
Same here, I have a MX518 with the rubber slowly degrading (and the wheele being a bit queeky but everything else is fine) at one place and a MX500 which is still going strong with no obvious wear at my main station. I haven't experienced any clicker failures myself.
I blame MMORPGS, mostly. I haven't had a mouse yet where the right button lasted longer than two years. Hundreds of hours of holding it down for mouselook takes its toll.
I've been using an m570 since it's release and have been an avid WoW player since vanilla beta. Other than a little sign of wear, a couple cleanings and new batteries, it's still going strong. I've had 0 issues with it. All buttons still work great, wheel hasn't failed me yet!
I also have a trackman wheel I purchased back in 2001 (which was replaced by the m570 in 2010) as a backup I use on various devices at home and when I'm out in the field.
@bug77: "I have an original G5 that I have used till its finish rubbed off and the clicker is still fine. My Proteus Core is also over a year in with no problems. So I'm not sure what you mean by "most Logitech mouse" (sic!)"
I've had hands on experience with a considerable number of Logitech mice, many of which I've personally owned. I've seen a number of gamers with some of the cheaper Logitech mice that experience issues after extended use over a relatively short period of time (~6 months). Consistent with Great_Scott's theory, the worst offenders were the mice owned by big MMORPG players. Prior to purchasing the MX510, I used the cheaper Logitech mice and also sometimes experienced these issues. Cheap mice use cheap switches, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
That said, the more expensive lineup is not entirely immune to "click" issues. Somewhat recently, a significant number of reports stated that the G500 and G500S models were experiencing an issue where a click would periodically, but inconsistently register as a double click. This is consistent with my hands on experience, though most of the mice were over two years old before they started exhibiting this trait.
On the other hand, I've personally owned had no issues (or client reported issues) with the MX510, MX518, G5, G502, and G900 despite heavy use under multiple users for gaming. Additionally, clients have had no problems to date with the MX500, MX1100, G7, G9, and G602.
Of the mice I've owned (after the MX510), but don't game with, I've had no issues with the VX Nano, Performance Mouse MX, Anywhere Mouse MX, MX Master, and MX Anywhere 2.
I am on my third performance mouse mx. The first 1 got the click registering as 2 clicks periodically and so did the second 1, it's replacement. So even the 1's you had no issues with have issues. I am probably just going to get a razer naga hex since I'm mainly playing league now. Might be nice having on the attacks right there on the side of the mouse in easy to distinguish proper placement for 1 attack w attack etc.
I've owned a great number of Logitech Mice over the last 30 years and never had this problem. I normally replace them after the oil from my hand eats through the plastic enough to make it shiny and unpleasant. This generally takes a while and the newer ones are better than they used to be.
If by "clicker" he means the mouse button, that has happened to me for all the logitech mice I have ever bought. Sometimes the mouse button doesn't even make it past the year. Lucky enough, logitech send you out a replacement at no cost
I've had a lot of Logitech products over the past 30 years as well. My first bus mouse for my 386 was a Logitech Trackball.
But everything from the last decade has been crap in reliability. From speakers to keyboards to mice to joysticks. My last Logitech headset's microphone flaked out after 3 months and just when I got used to gaming without the mic and back to typing, the left ear piece started crackling.
A stark contrast to say, Steelseries, where the H headset has been ultimately reliable for the many years I have owned it. Best $200 I've ever spent on a gaming peripheral.
Yeah, I plan on releasing a series of mice that have the click switches and cable slotted. That will kill logitech, and pretty much everyone else. Sure they could copy, but could their bloated business model fattening fat cats work with a product that is durable and repairable?
This is the West release of the G102 Prodigy (I wish they brought the white version too), and the sensor so far is extremely promising. It looks like besides some very minor angle snapping and the lower, but still high DPI cap, this sensor is comparable to the 3366. It also has a better cable than the G Pro. Considering it will likely drop at least $10 in a few months, this is an extremely compelling value gaming mouse.
@Lolimaster: "I just bought a bunch of omron 20M switches from china, and I can rock my MX518 (2008) for the next 50-100years."
I think I may go that route as well, though I wonder if the Japanese versions that are supposed to be quieter, but otherwise identical would be worth it. I have about a dozen G500/G500S mice with double click issues that I may be able to recommission. Do you happen to have the model number for the Japanese version of the switch (or a link to where to buy)?
D2F-01F. I've got a bunch of them from replacing switches in mice over the last decade or so.
MOBAs are the killers for mouse switches. I remember replacing the switches on Razer mice several times over the course of 6 months for my friends who were playing DoTA (the WC3 mod, not DOTA2) because that's how fast they were killing the switches.
On the older Logitech switches, the double clicking issue weren't always due to the switches. On some models, it had more to do with the capacitor used for debouncing than the switch itself. Replacing the switch only fixed the issue for the short term until wear and tear brought the bounce to the point that the capacitor limits.
Is there really a latency advantage (or some other advantage) in the mouse being wired at this point? I've switched over to wireless mice and the usual AAA battery inside lasts for at least half a year before it gets iffy. Maybe high DPI sensors would soak up more power, but I guess it just seems curious to omit modern capabilities when jacking the price of a mouse up by giving it a "gamer" label.
There are performance gaming oriented mice now with basically no latency penalty. If we look at the G403 wired vs wired (basically the exact same mouse otherwise) at least from what testing I've seen if there is a latency penalty is would be under 1ms.
Something to note is that not all wired mice (even gaming wired mice) have the same optimizations for click latency (affected by other factors), so mice like the G900 and G403 wireless will actually have lower click latency than many other wired gaming mice.
I just started doing a little digging and it looks like a couple of things are the case...Logitech does make a premium wireless mouse and that wireless mouse was demonstrated as having about half the latency of a competing Razer wired gaming mouse. That's probably not the case for a budget wireless mousey that doesn't have a lot of engineering work behind it, but I'm not convinced sending a signal through the air is inherently an indicator of worse performance.
The same mouse in the same test in wired mode has even less latency than with wireless. Granted, it was a Logitech test setup, but they were not expecting to run the test in wired mode for comparison against the wireless mode: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/logitech-g900-cha...
That all said, we've clearly hit diminishing returns on the latency front. So while you can still say with certainty that electron to wireless signal conversion, noise filtering, and wireless signal to electron conversion will always necessitate some additional latency, the amount of additional latency is no longer guaranteed to be discernible.
There are gaming performance oriented wireless mice like the G900 and G403 wireless but they have much lower battery life (both listed at 32 hours). In those cases there is basically no latency penalty. I guess if we compared the G403 vs G403 wired the only real trade off is a higher weight which is arguably offset by the lack of cable.
The types you are likely referring to, with the long battery life, are trading off performance characteristics for battery life (wireless latency, sensor, weight, etc.).
I have a Logitech G602, there's a switch on it which allows to toggle between either high-polling/performance mode and a regular 'eco' mode in which the battery lasts very long. To be honest I can't feel any difference in latency between this and the wired G303 (when playing FPS).
The main advantage of wired isn't latency, it is weight. Smaller mice like the G Pro, G100s, Zowie FK2 and Razer Abyssus are best at 80-90 grams weight. This is hard to achieve in a mouse that needs a battery. Most wireless mice weight at least 110 grams, which is too much for fingertip grip and low sensitivity.
I find the comment on pricing surprising, as I've had a Steelseries Rival mouse that at $50 has a fairly normal grip, normal button count, and a solid sensor (though possibly not as good as this one, I wouldn't know). This barely prices better.
While I'm sure this is a good mouse, I'm sure Razer and others also have equivalently-priced competitors. This is a response, not a breakthrough.
The AMO10 in the G100s has a much lower PCS than the sensor in this. If you play shooters at a low sensitivity, it's pretty easy to make a G100s spin out.
I have a $10 Logitech laser mouse thats gone through four years of Torchlight 1 and 2 and Diablo 2 and 3. Not to mention hours and hours of other games and work. Still as fresh as the day I got it. Some folks just cant take care of their kit.
Symmetrical mouse without side buttons for left-handed. Why?
As a left-handed person... I understand when they shape mouse exclusively for right hand, and equip with buttons accordingly. I really do. But this mouse is already half-way ambidextrous. Wouldn't two extra buttons be justified with 20% more potential customers...?
Sadly Logitech didn't have more products to see in CES, I was hoping for a second version of their K800 Wireless backlit keyboard but with dual connectivity ( their Unified receiver + Bluetooth )... even though it's hard for me to have this keyboard now as the Arabic layout version is completely out of stock for almost a year, contacting Logitech - with a hell patient in this regard - concluded that they don't have any in stock either...
My aging MX3200 combo is dying, keyboard is not smooth while typing, guess a lot of dust inside it.. the mouse is over a year now with dual clicking issues.. cleaned it few times but still.. tried to look for a replacement switch but could not find.. although I found plenty for my laptop mouse ( VX Nano )... both are already very old indeed, maybe I had them for 8~10 years now...
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Sushubh - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Too bad, like most Logitech mouse, the clicker would give up after a few months of usage and you would keep on getting replacements till it has warranty.Madpacket - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
This is the exact same shape as the Logitech G Pro which sells for considerably more. Only difference I can tell is the sensor - G Pro using the basically perfect Avago 3366. If this new sensor is comparable this G203 will be super popular as the G Pro is currently (IMHO) the best gaming mouse for FPS.limitedaccess - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
10m vs 20m Omron switches on LMB/RMB. Non-braided cable (arguably an improvement) vs braided as well.Yojimbo - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Yeah, this seems like a replacement for the G100s. It has two thumb buttons that the G100s didn't have, and a better sensor, but the shape is pretty much the same.bug77 - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I have an original G5 that I have used till its finish rubbed off and the clicker is still fine. My Proteus Core is also over a year in with no problems. So I'm not sure what you mean by "most Logitech mouse" (sic!)Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
When it started aging I took all the rubber off my MX518, with time you don't even miss the rubber coating.Death666Angel - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Same here, I have a MX518 with the rubber slowly degrading (and the wheele being a bit queeky but everything else is fine) at one place and a MX500 which is still going strong with no obvious wear at my main station. I haven't experienced any clicker failures myself.Great_Scott - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I blame MMORPGS, mostly. I haven't had a mouse yet where the right button lasted longer than two years. Hundreds of hours of holding it down for mouselook takes its toll.wolfemane - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
I've been using an m570 since it's release and have been an avid WoW player since vanilla beta. Other than a little sign of wear, a couple cleanings and new batteries, it's still going strong. I've had 0 issues with it. All buttons still work great, wheel hasn't failed me yet!I also have a trackman wheel I purchased back in 2001 (which was replaced by the m570 in 2010) as a backup I use on various devices at home and when I'm out in the field.
Manch - Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - link
Out in the field? Like the back yard?BurntMyBacon - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
@bug77: "I have an original G5 that I have used till its finish rubbed off and the clicker is still fine. My Proteus Core is also over a year in with no problems. So I'm not sure what you mean by "most Logitech mouse" (sic!)"I've had hands on experience with a considerable number of Logitech mice, many of which I've personally owned. I've seen a number of gamers with some of the cheaper Logitech mice that experience issues after extended use over a relatively short period of time (~6 months). Consistent with Great_Scott's theory, the worst offenders were the mice owned by big MMORPG players. Prior to purchasing the MX510, I used the cheaper Logitech mice and also sometimes experienced these issues. Cheap mice use cheap switches, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
That said, the more expensive lineup is not entirely immune to "click" issues. Somewhat recently, a significant number of reports stated that the G500 and G500S models were experiencing an issue where a click would periodically, but inconsistently register as a double click. This is consistent with my hands on experience, though most of the mice were over two years old before they started exhibiting this trait.
On the other hand, I've personally owned had no issues (or client reported issues) with the MX510, MX518, G5, G502, and G900 despite heavy use under multiple users for gaming. Additionally, clients have had no problems to date with the MX500, MX1100, G7, G9, and G602.
Of the mice I've owned (after the MX510), but don't game with, I've had no issues with the VX Nano, Performance Mouse MX, Anywhere Mouse MX, MX Master, and MX Anywhere 2.
Laststop311 - Saturday, January 21, 2017 - link
I am on my third performance mouse mx. The first 1 got the click registering as 2 clicks periodically and so did the second 1, it's replacement. So even the 1's you had no issues with have issues. I am probably just going to get a razer naga hex since I'm mainly playing league now. Might be nice having on the attacks right there on the side of the mouse in easy to distinguish proper placement for 1 attack w attack etc.Flunk - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I've owned a great number of Logitech Mice over the last 30 years and never had this problem. I normally replace them after the oil from my hand eats through the plastic enough to make it shiny and unpleasant. This generally takes a while and the newer ones are better than they used to be.lefty2 - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
If by "clicker" he means the mouse button, that has happened to me for all the logitech mice I have ever bought. Sometimes the mouse button doesn't even make it past the year. Lucky enough, logitech send you out a replacement at no costSamus - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
I've had a lot of Logitech products over the past 30 years as well. My first bus mouse for my 386 was a Logitech Trackball.But everything from the last decade has been crap in reliability. From speakers to keyboards to mice to joysticks. My last Logitech headset's microphone flaked out after 3 months and just when I got used to gaming without the mic and back to typing, the left ear piece started crackling.
A stark contrast to say, Steelseries, where the H headset has been ultimately reliable for the many years I have owned it. Best $200 I've ever spent on a gaming peripheral.
Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
20M omron switches sells for about 10pieces for $5-6 on chinese sites (like aliexpress)Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
There's also the japanes version of omron switches whichs costs a bit more but have less noise on the clicks.Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
MOBAS are the things that kills the switches fast.vladx - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
My G700s still works flawlessly after more than 3 years.ddriver - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Yeah, I plan on releasing a series of mice that have the click switches and cable slotted. That will kill logitech, and pretty much everyone else. Sure they could copy, but could their bloated business model fattening fat cats work with a product that is durable and repairable?SharpEars - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
Easily fixed by spraying contact cleaner over the switch. Takes all of 5 minutes to fix permanently.Inteli - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
This is the West release of the G102 Prodigy (I wish they brought the white version too), and the sensor so far is extremely promising. It looks like besides some very minor angle snapping and the lower, but still high DPI cap, this sensor is comparable to the 3366. It also has a better cable than the G Pro. Considering it will likely drop at least $10 in a few months, this is an extremely compelling value gaming mouse.Logitech please bring the white shell over here.
Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
They need to simply rerelease the MX518/G400s form factor with updated internals and materials. Most people don't ask for anything else.Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I just bought a bunch of omron 20M switches from china, and I can rock my MX518 (2008) for the next 50-100years.Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
2006*Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
2017 still no edit buttong, GG.BurntMyBacon - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
@Lolimaster: "I just bought a bunch of omron 20M switches from china, and I can rock my MX518 (2008) for the next 50-100years."I think I may go that route as well, though I wonder if the Japanese versions that are supposed to be quieter, but otherwise identical would be worth it. I have about a dozen G500/G500S mice with double click issues that I may be able to recommission. Do you happen to have the model number for the Japanese version of the switch (or a link to where to buy)?
dreamslacker - Monday, January 23, 2017 - link
D2F-01F.I've got a bunch of them from replacing switches in mice over the last decade or so.
MOBAs are the killers for mouse switches. I remember replacing the switches on Razer mice several times over the course of 6 months for my friends who were playing DoTA (the WC3 mod, not DOTA2) because that's how fast they were killing the switches.
On the older Logitech switches, the double clicking issue weren't always due to the switches. On some models, it had more to do with the capacitor used for debouncing than the switch itself. Replacing the switch only fixed the issue for the short term until wear and tear brought the bounce to the point that the capacitor limits.
Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
You should open the mouse from time to time to clean dead skin and body grease. Replacing a dead clicker switch takes no more than 10min.Soldering the new switch in, 100% new mouse again.
BrokenCrayons - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Is there really a latency advantage (or some other advantage) in the mouse being wired at this point? I've switched over to wireless mice and the usual AAA battery inside lasts for at least half a year before it gets iffy. Maybe high DPI sensors would soak up more power, but I guess it just seems curious to omit modern capabilities when jacking the price of a mouse up by giving it a "gamer" label.Lolimaster - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
You will always get additional latency + another point of failure being "wireless".limitedaccess - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
There are performance gaming oriented mice now with basically no latency penalty. If we look at the G403 wired vs wired (basically the exact same mouse otherwise) at least from what testing I've seen if there is a latency penalty is would be under 1ms.Something to note is that not all wired mice (even gaming wired mice) have the same optimizations for click latency (affected by other factors), so mice like the G900 and G403 wireless will actually have lower click latency than many other wired gaming mice.
BrokenCrayons - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I just started doing a little digging and it looks like a couple of things are the case...Logitech does make a premium wireless mouse and that wireless mouse was demonstrated as having about half the latency of a competing Razer wired gaming mouse. That's probably not the case for a budget wireless mousey that doesn't have a lot of engineering work behind it, but I'm not convinced sending a signal through the air is inherently an indicator of worse performance.http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2594-wireless-mo...
BurntMyBacon - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
The same mouse in the same test in wired mode has even less latency than with wireless.Granted, it was a Logitech test setup, but they were not expecting to run the test in wired mode for comparison against the wireless mode:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/logitech-g900-cha...
That all said, we've clearly hit diminishing returns on the latency front. So while you can still say with certainty that electron to wireless signal conversion, noise filtering, and wireless signal to electron conversion will always necessitate some additional latency, the amount of additional latency is no longer guaranteed to be discernible.
bigboxes - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
I've got a 15 year old wireless mouse still going strong. Where's this "another point of failure"?limitedaccess - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
There are gaming performance oriented wireless mice like the G900 and G403 wireless but they have much lower battery life (both listed at 32 hours). In those cases there is basically no latency penalty. I guess if we compared the G403 vs G403 wired the only real trade off is a higher weight which is arguably offset by the lack of cable.The types you are likely referring to, with the long battery life, are trading off performance characteristics for battery life (wireless latency, sensor, weight, etc.).
rxzlmn - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I have a Logitech G602, there's a switch on it which allows to toggle between either high-polling/performance mode and a regular 'eco' mode in which the battery lasts very long. To be honest I can't feel any difference in latency between this and the wired G303 (when playing FPS).Madpacket - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
I think weight is the biggest hurdle with wireless mice now that latency is no longer an issue.Wall Street - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
The main advantage of wired isn't latency, it is weight. Smaller mice like the G Pro, G100s, Zowie FK2 and Razer Abyssus are best at 80-90 grams weight. This is hard to achieve in a mouse that needs a battery. Most wireless mice weight at least 110 grams, which is too much for fingertip grip and low sensitivity.lmcd - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
I find the comment on pricing surprising, as I've had a Steelseries Rival mouse that at $50 has a fairly normal grip, normal button count, and a solid sensor (though possibly not as good as this one, I wouldn't know). This barely prices better.While I'm sure this is a good mouse, I'm sure Razer and others also have equivalently-priced competitors. This is a response, not a breakthrough.
Inteli - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
That $50 wasn't MSRP, this is. It'll probably drop $10 fairly quickly, and there isn't any single mouse better than this at that price.Michael Bay - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
You can always get G100s at about 20 though.Inteli - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
The AMO10 in the G100s has a much lower PCS than the sensor in this. If you play shooters at a low sensitivity, it's pretty easy to make a G100s spin out.Plus muh RGBz
fanofanand - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
This looks really nice! I don't need 30 programmable buttons I just want a mouse with clear click detents and is comfortable in my hand.haukionkannel - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
So true... I will eventually need a replase to my old sturdy G5. Hopefully this is as good as it has been. Wanna see some test!idealego - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
"The G203 Prodigy is made in Switzerland"I guess that's supposed to say "designed in Switzerland" since I can see "made in China" on the bottom of the mouse in the photo :)
Inteli - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
The sensor is made in Switzerland.mobutu - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
"could not ignore the trend and installed a programmable RGB LED"one of the most disgusting trends of the industry lately.
jabber - Saturday, January 21, 2017 - link
I have a $10 Logitech laser mouse thats gone through four years of Torchlight 1 and 2 and Diablo 2 and 3. Not to mention hours and hours of other games and work. Still as fresh as the day I got it. Some folks just cant take care of their kit.nikon133 - Sunday, January 22, 2017 - link
Symmetrical mouse without side buttons for left-handed. Why?As a left-handed person... I understand when they shape mouse exclusively for right hand, and equip with buttons accordingly. I really do. But this mouse is already half-way ambidextrous. Wouldn't two extra buttons be justified with 20% more potential customers...?
Inteli - Sunday, January 22, 2017 - link
Many people really dislike having buttons on the side they don't use, even if they're disabled.Xajel - Monday, January 23, 2017 - link
Sadly Logitech didn't have more products to see in CES, I was hoping for a second version of their K800 Wireless backlit keyboard but with dual connectivity ( their Unified receiver + Bluetooth )... even though it's hard for me to have this keyboard now as the Arabic layout version is completely out of stock for almost a year, contacting Logitech - with a hell patient in this regard - concluded that they don't have any in stock either...My aging MX3200 combo is dying, keyboard is not smooth while typing, guess a lot of dust inside it.. the mouse is over a year now with dual clicking issues.. cleaned it few times but still.. tried to look for a replacement switch but could not find.. although I found plenty for my laptop mouse ( VX Nano )... both are already very old indeed, maybe I had them for 8~10 years now...