oh, well. NH-D15 is real supercooler, and its result is only a few degrees worser than results of these FD coolers (with the same noise in low speed mode)
Thanks for the review. Could y'all do a "best CPU coolers" for the quarter and give some recommendations on each range? With Skylake X and Threadripper coming out, I think it'd be a great time to get a professional opinion. I'm kind of interested in an AIO, but there are quite a lot of choices nowadays.
It would have been more interesting if you had run the pump at full speed and just varied the fan speed. At full speed this cooler delivered very nice acoustics for its cooling performance. It would have been nice to see how the included fans performed without kneecapping the performance of the pump.
The Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 & 120 seem to be the current bar for AIO. The price is better, the performance is better, and the sound profile seems better.
Yeah I have the Arctic 240 and its great. Lot of kit for the money. One of the best around. I had put my old Corsair H50 in to try cooling my new 5820k rig but it just didnt have enough cooling power for that. Would have been nice to have had the Fractal option this time last year though to put in my new Fractal case...
I just got the s24 and my experience so far is that when the fans are at 100%, it's very loud. I can't compare to other AIOs since this is my first, but my old system which used a 120mm NFP12 Noctua was virtually silent at 100%. I know that's not exactly apples to apples, but still this thing is quite loud when at 100%. It also spins up and down a lot and the noise when doing that is pretty loud and noticeable too. The other issue with it is that since it uses it's own fan controller, I can't tell if the readout I'm getting in BIOS is for the pump speed or fan speed. I think it's for the pump since it'll read out 2800 and the fans are only 2000 rpms.
I retract my comment about the noise. I changed the positioning of the fans and radiator and it's much quieter now. I had the fans mounted to the case and then attached to the radiator. Turns out that small amount of space from the case mounting was causing a bunch of noise. Now I mounted the fans directly on the radiator and it's super quiet even at 100%. Very happy now. I've running 7700k @ 4.8 and 1.3v and max out at around 68-70 degrees when stress testing.
Still can't see the fan speed though due to the integrated fan controller.
There's a 5 year warranty on the S24/S36 as a whole. If you modify the loop i.e. detach any hose, you "only" have warranty on the individual parts. That's logical 'cause if say you drain and refill it and it performs bad it means you did a bad job at refilling, fractal can not held accountable for that.
I was looking at these for a new build, because I might upgrade it to a custom cooling loop after a few years. An S36 would be a bit overkill for just a single consumer-grade CPU, but it would save the cost of a radiator if I upgrade. I'd still need a reservoir, GPU cooling block, and probably a pump, but it would at least save on the radiator.
I might base my choice off what GPU I end up getting, since a long one would collide with the S36 in the case I'm using. And a radiator isn't that expensive, anyways.
You could mount the S36 (pump) on the most popluar GPU using the kraken G12 GPU mounting kit. You could then buy a seperate CPU cooling block (50$) and reservoir and you're done. It's lot cheaper than mounting the S36 on the CPU and buying a seperate GPU cooler (starting 120$). Graphic cards are replaced more often than CPU's, so in the long run the first setup would also be way more cheaper, just by a new mounting kit and you're good to go.
I'm building a new machine with a Phantek Evolv ATX case and the Celcius S24 cooler for the CPU. My GFX card is an air cooled Asus STRIX 1080 Ti. What is the best location of the radiator in that case, given that setup? I read somewhere that having the radiator at the top will be sub-optimal due to heat rising from the GFX card. Not sure if that's true. But regardless, where do you think will be best to minimize noise (want it as quiet as possible) for decent cooling?
you can always put it up top fans in pull rather than push. That way you won't take heat for your gpu, but more importantly (for me at least) you'd have positive air pressure in your case to keep dust out. To be honest though front or up won't make much difference in either temps (1-2 deg difference max) or noise, just go with whatever looks best to you and is easiest to install.
Depends on how hot your 1080 Ti is running now. GPU's start throttling way faster than CPU's. I would avoid putting it in the front of your case, adding hot air to your GPU. Your CPU might run a degree or two colder but your GPU would have to endure an additional 3-5 degrees (depending on how well you airflow is through your case) whilst having less room before it starts throttling...
Can we see real life scenarios now? I mean you've tested them using environments that nobody will use at home. Which is understandable if you want to achieve the maximum cooling capacity. But would like to see more normal examples on particular pc cases. I can also go to the north pole and see what temps i get there you know
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HomeworldFound - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
The radiators can actually support up to four to six 120mm fans. Beside that it's just another generic boring AIO.sibuna - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
why are there no high end air coolers tested in thisfixxxer0 - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11407/140-mm-slim-to...same test setup here if you want to compare
Bulat Ziganshin - Monday, June 12, 2017 - link
these are upper-middle, but not precisely high-endBulat Ziganshin - Monday, June 12, 2017 - link
oh, well. NH-D15 is real supercooler, and its result is only a few degrees worser than results of these FD coolers (with the same noise in low speed mode)Drumsticks - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
Thanks for the review. Could y'all do a "best CPU coolers" for the quarter and give some recommendations on each range? With Skylake X and Threadripper coming out, I think it'd be a great time to get a professional opinion. I'm kind of interested in an AIO, but there are quite a lot of choices nowadays.fixxxer0 - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
just trying to get a feel for real world thermal loadings vs the standard shown in the test.how many watts would a i7 7700 stock under load generate?
fixxxer0 - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
is it really just the TDP that is advertised for the proc?Drumsticks - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
Probably something along the lines of the 60-100 range if you aren't overclocking, but 100-200W range if you overclock depending on how far you go.MrTeal - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
It would have been more interesting if you had run the pump at full speed and just varied the fan speed. At full speed this cooler delivered very nice acoustics for its cooling performance. It would have been nice to see how the included fans performed without kneecapping the performance of the pump.dave_the_nerd - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
So when do they sell one of these bundled with a Node 804?Akkuma - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
The Arctic Liquid Freezer 240 & 120 seem to be the current bar for AIO. The price is better, the performance is better, and the sound profile seems better.jabber - Sunday, June 4, 2017 - link
Yeah I have the Arctic 240 and its great. Lot of kit for the money. One of the best around. I had put my old Corsair H50 in to try cooling my new 5820k rig but it just didnt have enough cooling power for that. Would have been nice to have had the Fractal option this time last year though to put in my new Fractal case...CompLuva - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
I just got the s24 and my experience so far is that when the fans are at 100%, it's very loud. I can't compare to other AIOs since this is my first, but my old system which used a 120mm NFP12 Noctua was virtually silent at 100%. I know that's not exactly apples to apples, but still this thing is quite loud when at 100%. It also spins up and down a lot and the noise when doing that is pretty loud and noticeable too. The other issue with it is that since it uses it's own fan controller, I can't tell if the readout I'm getting in BIOS is for the pump speed or fan speed. I think it's for the pump since it'll read out 2800 and the fans are only 2000 rpms.CompLuva - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
I retract my comment about the noise. I changed the positioning of the fans and radiator and it's much quieter now. I had the fans mounted to the case and then attached to the radiator. Turns out that small amount of space from the case mounting was causing a bunch of noise. Now I mounted the fans directly on the radiator and it's super quiet even at 100%. Very happy now. I've running 7700k @ 4.8 and 1.3v and max out at around 68-70 degrees when stress testing.Still can't see the fan speed though due to the integrated fan controller.
*zSnowz* - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
How reliable are these AIO coolers? I worry about leakage. How often do AIOs leak?maximumGPU - Saturday, June 3, 2017 - link
it's *very* rare. Quality has gone up a lot in the past few years.verl - Saturday, June 3, 2017 - link
The biggest worry for an AIO is how long the pump will last for. I think most ppl hit the 3-4 year range.Makaveli - Saturday, June 3, 2017 - link
^^^^ ThisThe H55 on my 7970ghz has been there for about 4 years now and the pump is alot noiser now than it use to be so it will almost be time to replace it.
nekronimus - Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - link
There's a 5 year warranty on the S24/S36 as a whole. If you modify the loop i.e. detach any hose, you "only" have warranty on the individual parts. That's logical 'cause if say you drain and refill it and it performs bad it means you did a bad job at refilling, fractal can not held accountable for that.ratbert1 - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
Please add a water cooled graphics card to the loop and see if it can cool both. That seems to be what these coolers are about.makerofthegames - Friday, June 2, 2017 - link
I was looking at these for a new build, because I might upgrade it to a custom cooling loop after a few years. An S36 would be a bit overkill for just a single consumer-grade CPU, but it would save the cost of a radiator if I upgrade. I'd still need a reservoir, GPU cooling block, and probably a pump, but it would at least save on the radiator.I might base my choice off what GPU I end up getting, since a long one would collide with the S36 in the case I'm using. And a radiator isn't that expensive, anyways.
nekronimus - Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - link
You could mount the S36 (pump) on the most popluar GPU using the kraken G12 GPU mounting kit. You could then buy a seperate CPU cooling block (50$) and reservoir and you're done. It's lot cheaper than mounting the S36 on the CPU and buying a seperate GPU cooler (starting 120$). Graphic cards are replaced more often than CPU's, so in the long run the first setup would also be way more cheaper, just by a new mounting kit and you're good to go.LawRecords - Saturday, June 3, 2017 - link
I'm building a new machine with a Phantek Evolv ATX case and the Celcius S24 cooler for the CPU. My GFX card is an air cooled Asus STRIX 1080 Ti. What is the best location of the radiator in that case, given that setup? I read somewhere that having the radiator at the top will be sub-optimal due to heat rising from the GFX card. Not sure if that's true. But regardless, where do you think will be best to minimize noise (want it as quiet as possible) for decent cooling?maximumGPU - Sunday, June 4, 2017 - link
you can always put it up top fans in pull rather than push. That way you won't take heat for your gpu, but more importantly (for me at least) you'd have positive air pressure in your case to keep dust out.To be honest though front or up won't make much difference in either temps (1-2 deg difference max) or noise, just go with whatever looks best to you and is easiest to install.
nekronimus - Wednesday, October 18, 2017 - link
Depends on how hot your 1080 Ti is running now. GPU's start throttling way faster than CPU's. I would avoid putting it in the front of your case, adding hot air to your GPU. Your CPU might run a degree or two colder but your GPU would have to endure an additional 3-5 degrees (depending on how well you airflow is through your case) whilst having less room before it starts throttling...sultan_khan - Sunday, June 4, 2017 - link
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kushakizz - Thursday, June 8, 2017 - link
does the extra tube come with it for your video card...and if so all i have to do is buy a vc block riight and connect? or is there more to itJohnLinc - Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - link
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Can we see real life scenarios now? I mean you've tested them using environments that nobody will use at home. Which is understandable if you want to achieve the maximum cooling capacity. But would like to see more normal examples on particular pc cases. I can also go to the north pole and see what temps i get there you knowshaolin95 - Sunday, October 28, 2018 - link
Maybe with the 9900k, the S36 could prove the better option?