Can we joke that once OCZ announced that Toshiba had agreed to purchase nearly all of OCZ's assets it was down hill for them both.
I have SSD's from both OCZ and Toshiba and Intel and Samsung. Once I started buying SSD'd I never went back to a Western Digital black or any other platter drive. Story WD was late to the Flash game.
HDs will be here for a very long time, NAND is just too expensive. We already have 14TB now, and going to 20+TB, to get 14TB of NAND would cost a fortune.
Sure, SSDs do have their place as a boot drive, but you still are going to need spinners for backups.
As it happens, I am using 16TB flash SATA disk for two years already. As for the cost of it, "if you had to ask...", but same goes for large mechanical drives - I know incidental cases of someone buying disks exceeding 4TB, and none for personal use. It's true in this case, I did not paid for the disk from my own wallet. For personal storage, I have been torn between buying pair of 10-12TB drives, and building a NAS. The latter won - and for less than 2x10TB, I've got raid-6 of 2TB drives, with a server attached including BBU and UPS, running on ECC memory and quad ethernet adapter.
However... there is widening performance gap between NAND, or in general NVM storage, and mechanical storage. While growing platter density is keeping their usefulness, there is non-zero possibility of them fading into same hole, tape storage disappeared in from general public view.
I like to think, that flash storage is a stop-gap solution, and more advanced systems will pop up. We have been promised numerous solid state storage technologies, and only two of them popped up as commercially viable.
"for less than 2x10TB, I've got raid-6 of 2TB drives" So you have 20TB worth of RAID6 storage using 2TB HDDs? 12 2TB HDDs? That sounds like a nightmare to rebuild. Not to mention the noise and power consumption. I switched from two RAID5 4x2TB setups to one 4x5TB setup, just for ease of use and since all my data is just stuff I also have on disk, I don't care about redundancy and the 18h++ rebuilt process.
99% of individual consumers (including desktops/laptops in the enterprise) simply don't need that much. It is only for SOME data centers (not even all by large margin). And they are in the large 3.5" FF. So they serve a niche which gets smaller as the capacities get larger. Like tape drives 20 years ago.
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Cfendrick - Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - link
Can we joke that once OCZ announced that Toshiba had agreed to purchase nearly all of OCZ's assets it was down hill for them both.I have SSD's from both OCZ and Toshiba and Intel and Samsung. Once I started buying SSD'd I never went back to a Western Digital black or any other platter drive. Story WD was late to the Flash game.
Best of luck to them in the future.
VulkanMan - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
That is very shortsighted.HDs will be here for a very long time, NAND is just too expensive.
We already have 14TB now, and going to 20+TB, to get 14TB of NAND would cost a fortune.
Sure, SSDs do have their place as a boot drive, but you still are going to need spinners for backups.
Vatharian - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
As it happens, I am using 16TB flash SATA disk for two years already. As for the cost of it, "if you had to ask...", but same goes for large mechanical drives - I know incidental cases of someone buying disks exceeding 4TB, and none for personal use. It's true in this case, I did not paid for the disk from my own wallet. For personal storage, I have been torn between buying pair of 10-12TB drives, and building a NAS. The latter won - and for less than 2x10TB, I've got raid-6 of 2TB drives, with a server attached including BBU and UPS, running on ECC memory and quad ethernet adapter.However... there is widening performance gap between NAND, or in general NVM storage, and mechanical storage. While growing platter density is keeping their usefulness, there is non-zero possibility of them fading into same hole, tape storage disappeared in from general public view.
I like to think, that flash storage is a stop-gap solution, and more advanced systems will pop up. We have been promised numerous solid state storage technologies, and only two of them popped up as commercially viable.
Death666Angel - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
"for less than 2x10TB, I've got raid-6 of 2TB drives" So you have 20TB worth of RAID6 storage using 2TB HDDs? 12 2TB HDDs? That sounds like a nightmare to rebuild. Not to mention the noise and power consumption. I switched from two RAID5 4x2TB setups to one 4x5TB setup, just for ease of use and since all my data is just stuff I also have on disk, I don't care about redundancy and the 18h++ rebuilt process.Hurr Durr - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
WD makes its own SSDs, which are quite good. And then there is this breakthrough HDD thing of theirs, as well as helium.iwod - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
MAMR, sort of sane and 10x better then HAMR. Helium was really a HGST thing which the acquired.Samus - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
The only thing we can joke about here is your ridiculous comment.MrSpadge - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
It's ridiculous because it was a joke. Buy saying he also bought OCZ and Toshiba drives he clearly signals he's beyond simple OCZ bashing.peevee - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
"We already have 14TB now"99% of individual consumers (including desktops/laptops in the enterprise) simply don't need that much. It is only for SOME data centers (not even all by large margin). And they are in the large 3.5" FF. So they serve a niche which gets smaller as the capacities get larger. Like tape drives 20 years ago.
iwod - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
Samsung is making a massive investment in 2018, more then the total of Intel, TSMC, Sk Hynix combined.SunnyNW - Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - link
So how did Toshiba react when Western Digital first announced they were taking over San-Disk?