Never ever again will i buy a Nokia phone made by HMD Global. My current Nokia 7+ is a real disappointment. It is really laggy when inputting with either a crap digitzer or a slow CPU being the reason. It's battery time is so so. But now the USB-C port is glitchy so that it is almost impossible to charge it. It is almost on the point of not working anymore. And I'm not the only one with this problem. This is the worst phone I have ever owned (in relation to how much it did cost). Hands down!
Man this is why I don't like people like you. They clearly have a faulty device and they don't do anything about it except for complain. Defects happen. Any company can have a defective phone. You are by law allowed to have a replacement under the warranty of the phone for free. Stop complaining and do something about.
I couldn't disagree more. I find the phone handles most of what I throw at it with general ease, the battery can last me for 2 days (all the reviews also point to a great battery life), and I've had no issues with the USB port. Obviously everyone will have their own experiences with a device that may or may not line up with the general experiences of everyone else, but it really sounds to me like you've got a software and/or hardware problem with your device that needs to be looked at.
I understand your frustration. It's really disheartening to buy a device and have it malfunction for no apparent reason. I have read about faulty 7 plus phones but it does not seem to be a universal thing. I know people who have one and haven't faced such issues.
Is it from an early production batch? It's possible that yours was faulty from the factory. I suggest you return it, if it's not too late, or send it in for warranty repair.
P.S. I've had a 6.1 for 9 months now and no major hardware problems so far. The fingerprint reader is a bit finicky, but that could be the fault of my skin being too sweaty.
"Due to lack of time and consistent access to the Nokia 9 PureView hardware, it was impossible for us to try out its camera in real-world conditions. As a result, all we can share are images shot on the Nokia 9 Pureview as distributed by Nokia."
Pffft! You wasted all my time reading this all the way down to that, only to find out this isn't really a hands on.
Agree - this article was pointless for me. Quick googling leads to other "hand-ons" where they actually took a quick comparison picture to a Samsung S10+, and the Nokia 9 lost in quality and was really slow. That's not what I liked to read, but the kind of information I expect from such an article.
What do you mean pointless? You found out that (quote):
"The color of the Nokia 9 PureView is meant to emphasize positioning of the device at the top of Nokia’s lineup".
Someone should really make a table of colors vs. position in lineup per manufacturer. Looking at the number of the model or the price to determine this is too confusing.
I wanted to know whether the 2018 implementation of Light's technology is as bad as the 2016 version... I guess we'll have to wait a little longer. I think I'll go outside.
I'm not one to harp on minor typos, but this article is riddled with typos and gibberish sentences to the point that it's painful to read. Did someone forget to copy-edit?
"The diamong-cut edges of the handset also enable for a very firm grip, something that will be appreciated by the target audience of this device, such as for when taking pictures."
"Meanwhile the interface of the camera software was adjusted avoid accidental switching from one mode to another, which sometimes happens on other phones during intensive usage. Nokia says that the Adobe Lightroom CC and the Google Photos programs already 'know' how take advantage of Nokia’s advanced six-module camera. Meanwhile, the Lightroom CC is not pre-installed, which, as Nokia puts it, a part of the promise of not loading unessential software on its phones."
"Withiut any doubts, we liked the Nokia 9 PureView. What we especialled like is that that it is not a an ideological successor of the originial 9-series. Here is why:"
Not to mention even getting some technical terms wrong. It's a "Time-of-Flight" camera; not "Time-of-Light."
Sadly, some of the editorial content has taken a turn for the worse here at Anandtech. Considering this is even barely a hands-on it's rather shameful to see quality this poor.
All journos should use a spell-checker, especially given their presumed deadlines. That's simple and would help a lot.
However, the other language errors here are few, and minor - mostly adding or omitting an article erroneously, as is typical with Russian speakers. You can reasonably insist that Anandtech should have a native English speaker smooth everything out, or take it for what it is - an excellent job by a non-native speaker. I'd prefer the former too, but find this quite acceptable in today's world. It certainly isn't "gibberish".
Plus IMHO Mr. Shilov has long since earned a little slack on this.
A "top-of-the-range" phone with last year's SOC? Fail. What else is wrong with it really - slow RAM? Slow flash?
In 2019 device, at least 1 A76 must be on board. Or Samsung M3. Multi-threading can be served by A55s better, without going into power/thermal throttling where 4 A75s or A76s put any phone in a jiffy. Or being limited by memory or last level cache performance anyway, while wasting tons of power at high freq. But single-threaded workloads better be served by a core as fast as possible.
I agree. Unless their pricing is below top of the range phones in 2019, they are not going to sell well. S10 already has gorilla glass 6. Why is Nokia stuck with using 5? The only thing I can see that make sense is if they don't price it as a premium phone.
599€ here in Finland, which is cheap. To put it some perspective Sony Xperia XZ3 has the same SOC, screen resolution, less ram, less flash memory and costs 799€.
It hasn't been confirmed, but it seems this phone was actually supposed to be released last year but got delayed. Instead of canceling the current model, they decided to release it with an 845 now and then release an 855 variant in Q3/Q4 this year.
They are aware of the old processor and have priced it lower than the competing flagships. It's even cheaper than the S10e.
"Today’s Nokia 9 PureView represents the pinnacle of technologies that HMD Global has in terms of hardware and software. It is not exactly a successor to the classic Nokia 9-series because it is positioned completely differently, but the high-tech nature of the device is evident. The Nokia 9 PureView is also not a successor for the Nokia 8 Sirocco: while its Midnight Blue color is absolutely dazzling, the smartphone itself is aimed at tech-oriented rather than style-oriented audience. In the meantime, it is necessary to note that the coolest thing about the new “9” is that it weds advanced technology with style, something that the original 9-series just could not do."
Anton's writing style is slightly modifying a company's PR statement with little added info. It may very well be the job he's expected to do but it's never clearly marked that the statements are coming from the respective company, not an AT editor with knowledge of those details.
Using manufacturer supplied photos to show picture quality is rather dubious, especially given the fact that the selling point is the fancy camera system.
Glossing over the fact that this uses the Snapdragon 845 instead of the newer 855. Hardly the "pinnacle of technologies" as claimed.
So, how good is that camera? That phone lives and dies by the quality of the stills and videos it can take. Apart from that, it's decidedly not a flagship anymore (a year late) . And, if it really lacks a microSD slot, it's stillborn. If anybody wants a good camera phone and is okay with no removable storage, they'd be better off with an iPhone, unless this Nokia is really spectacular at photos and videos. So, is it?
@Anton and @Andrei: Could one or the two of you do a deep(er) dive into the state of the art of current imaging sensors? I am prompted to ask because this "Pureview" model uses a label that I doubt it deserves. The original Pureview sensor that the original Nokia Pureview phone had a number of years ago was a beast, featuring an enormous sensor with over 40 actual and large megapixels and on-chip circuitry for 4-in-1 binning. At the time, that sensor and its optical "hump" (necessary to properly illuminate the large sensor) beat the pants off not just any other smartphone (easy back then), but also pretty much any fixed-lens consumer camera it was put up against. Since then, sensor capabilities seem to have regressed, at least when it comes to sensor size and on-chip capabilities, with the exception of the (small) on-chip cache on 1-2 SONY sensors that allows for very short high-speed videos. So, any takers? Thanks!
A comparison test would be interesting. I rarely use my old 808 as a camera now, the detail rendering is amazing in the 8 MP downsampled mode but dynamic range is terrible. I would rather have a decent camera with much better dynamic range like when using Google Camera.
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Magnus101 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Never ever again will i buy a Nokia phone made by HMD Global.My current Nokia 7+ is a real disappointment.
It is really laggy when inputting with either a crap digitzer or a slow CPU being the reason.
It's battery time is so so.
But now the USB-C port is glitchy so that it is almost impossible to charge it.
It is almost on the point of not working anymore.
And I'm not the only one with this problem.
This is the worst phone I have ever owned (in relation to how much it did cost).
Hands down!
mr_tawan - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
My 7+ has no such issues. May be you should have it repaired?Magnus101 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Many Nokia 7+ users are reporting the charging port issue:https://community.phones.nokia.com/discussion/6073...
Shekels - Sunday, March 3, 2019 - link
Man this is why I don't like people like you. They clearly have a faulty device and they don't do anything about it except for complain. Defects happen. Any company can have a defective phone. You are by law allowed to have a replacement under the warranty of the phone for free. Stop complaining and do something about.BertrandsBox - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
I couldn't disagree more. I find the phone handles most of what I throw at it with general ease, the battery can last me for 2 days (all the reviews also point to a great battery life), and I've had no issues with the USB port.Obviously everyone will have their own experiences with a device that may or may not line up with the general experiences of everyone else, but it really sounds to me like you've got a software and/or hardware problem with your device that needs to be looked at.
eddman - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
I understand your frustration. It's really disheartening to buy a device and have it malfunction for no apparent reason. I have read about faulty 7 plus phones but it does not seem to be a universal thing. I know people who have one and haven't faced such issues.Is it from an early production batch? It's possible that yours was faulty from the factory. I suggest you return it, if it's not too late, or send it in for warranty repair.
P.S. I've had a 6.1 for 9 months now and no major hardware problems so far. The fingerprint reader is a bit finicky, but that could be the fault of my skin being too sweaty.
hubick - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
"Due to lack of time and consistent access to the Nokia 9 PureView hardware, it was impossible for us to try out its camera in real-world conditions. As a result, all we can share are images shot on the Nokia 9 Pureview as distributed by Nokia."Pffft! You wasted all my time reading this all the way down to that, only to find out this isn't really a hands on.
MrSpadge - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Agree - this article was pointless for me. Quick googling leads to other "hand-ons" where they actually took a quick comparison picture to a Samsung S10+, and the Nokia 9 lost in quality and was really slow. That's not what I liked to read, but the kind of information I expect from such an article.close - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
What do you mean pointless? You found out that (quote):"The color of the Nokia 9 PureView is meant to emphasize positioning of the device at the top of Nokia’s lineup".
Someone should really make a table of colors vs. position in lineup per manufacturer. Looking at the number of the model or the price to determine this is too confusing.
boozed - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
I wanted to know whether the 2018 implementation of Light's technology is as bad as the 2016 version... I guess we'll have to wait a little longer. I think I'll go outside.s.yu - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
GSM Arena has real samples.phr3dly - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
I'm not one to harp on minor typos, but this article is riddled with typos and gibberish sentences to the point that it's painful to read. Did someone forget to copy-edit?"The diamong-cut edges of the handset also enable for a very firm grip, something that will be appreciated by the target audience of this device, such as for when taking pictures."
"Meanwhile the interface of the camera software was adjusted avoid accidental switching from one mode to another, which sometimes happens on other phones during intensive usage. Nokia says that the Adobe Lightroom CC and the Google Photos programs already 'know' how take advantage of Nokia’s advanced six-module camera. Meanwhile, the Lightroom CC is not pre-installed, which, as Nokia puts it, a part of the promise of not loading unessential software on its phones."
"Withiut any doubts, we liked the Nokia 9 PureView. What we especialled like is that that it is not a an ideological successor of the originial 9-series. Here is why:"
Devo2007 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Not to mention even getting some technical terms wrong. It's a "Time-of-Flight" camera; not "Time-of-Light."Sadly, some of the editorial content has taken a turn for the worse here at Anandtech. Considering this is even barely a hands-on it's rather shameful to see quality this poor.
Arbie - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
All journos should use a spell-checker, especially given their presumed deadlines. That's simple and would help a lot.However, the other language errors here are few, and minor - mostly adding or omitting an article erroneously, as is typical with Russian speakers. You can reasonably insist that Anandtech should have a native English speaker smooth everything out, or take it for what it is - an excellent job by a non-native speaker. I'd prefer the former too, but find this quite acceptable in today's world. It certainly isn't "gibberish".
Plus IMHO Mr. Shilov has long since earned a little slack on this.
Ryan Smith - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
Thanks for the feedback. I've gone ahead and given it a good scrubbing.Jiggs82 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Can you please upload the wallpaper?🤞🏼peevee - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
A "top-of-the-range" phone with last year's SOC? Fail.What else is wrong with it really - slow RAM? Slow flash?
In 2019 device, at least 1 A76 must be on board. Or Samsung M3. Multi-threading can be served by A55s better, without going into power/thermal throttling where 4 A75s or A76s put any phone in a jiffy. Or being limited by memory or last level cache performance anyway, while wasting tons of power at high freq.
But single-threaded workloads better be served by a core as fast as possible.
Cliff34 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
I agree. Unless their pricing is below top of the range phones in 2019, they are not going to sell well. S10 already has gorilla glass 6. Why is Nokia stuck with using 5? The only thing I can see that make sense is if they don't price it as a premium phone.jabbadap - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
599€ here in Finland, which is cheap. To put it some perspective Sony Xperia XZ3 has the same SOC, screen resolution, less ram, less flash memory and costs 799€.eddman - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
It hasn't been confirmed, but it seems this phone was actually supposed to be released last year but got delayed. Instead of canceling the current model, they decided to release it with an 845 now and then release an 855 variant in Q3/Q4 this year.They are aware of the old processor and have priced it lower than the competing flagships. It's even cheaper than the S10e.
Hannibal80 - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Was this written by Nokia marketing team? It's really weirdMrSpadge - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
Nah, you can tell Antons writing style I'd say.K_Space - Friday, March 1, 2019 - link
"Today’s Nokia 9 PureView represents the pinnacle of technologies that HMD Global has in terms of hardware and software. It is not exactly a successor to the classic Nokia 9-series because it is positioned completely differently, but the high-tech nature of the device is evident. The Nokia 9 PureView is also not a successor for the Nokia 8 Sirocco: while its Midnight Blue color is absolutely dazzling, the smartphone itself is aimed at tech-oriented rather than style-oriented audience. In the meantime, it is necessary to note that the coolest thing about the new “9” is that it weds advanced technology with style, something that the original 9-series just could not do."That's propaganda right there!
close - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Anton's writing style is slightly modifying a company's PR statement with little added info. It may very well be the job he's expected to do but it's never clearly marked that the statements are coming from the respective company, not an AT editor with knowledge of those details.Koenig168 - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
Using manufacturer supplied photos to show picture quality is rather dubious, especially given the fact that the selling point is the fancy camera system.Glossing over the fact that this uses the Snapdragon 845 instead of the newer 855. Hardly the "pinnacle of technologies" as claimed.
zodiacfml - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
Terrible images. Looks like they used tiny sensorsnathanddrews - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
"Camera tech previously available to pros"Oops, no SD slot or removable storage. That 128GB is going to dry up really fast.
Arbie - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
+1marees - Monday, March 4, 2019 - link
++1eastcoast_pete - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
So, how good is that camera? That phone lives and dies by the quality of the stills and videos it can take. Apart from that, it's decidedly not a flagship anymore (a year late) . And, if it really lacks a microSD slot, it's stillborn. If anybody wants a good camera phone and is okay with no removable storage, they'd be better off with an iPhone, unless this Nokia is really spectacular at photos and videos. So, is it?Arbie - Saturday, March 2, 2019 - link
+1eastcoast_pete - Sunday, March 3, 2019 - link
@Anton and @Andrei: Could one or the two of you do a deep(er) dive into the state of the art of current imaging sensors? I am prompted to ask because this "Pureview" model uses a label that I doubt it deserves. The original Pureview sensor that the original Nokia Pureview phone had a number of years ago was a beast, featuring an enormous sensor with over 40 actual and large megapixels and on-chip circuitry for 4-in-1 binning. At the time, that sensor and its optical "hump" (necessary to properly illuminate the large sensor) beat the pants off not just any other smartphone (easy back then), but also pretty much any fixed-lens consumer camera it was put up against. Since then, sensor capabilities seem to have regressed, at least when it comes to sensor size and on-chip capabilities, with the exception of the (small) on-chip cache on 1-2 SONY sensors that allows for very short high-speed videos.So, any takers? Thanks!
serendip - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
A comparison test would be interesting. I rarely use my old 808 as a camera now, the detail rendering is amazing in the 8 MP downsampled mode but dynamic range is terrible. I would rather have a decent camera with much better dynamic range like when using Google Camera.crotach - Sunday, March 3, 2019 - link
But will the battery last 3 months?!