The drive can read and write (STR) >500MB/sec. Gigabit Ethernet tops out at 125MB/sec in impossibly perfect conditions. 5Gbit is the minimum network bandwidth needed to stress even one of these drives.
I frequently get sustained 112 MB/s from my gigE (SSD on iMac through two switches to iMac Pro). Maybe not 125, but I can't complain given the iMac is 7 yrs old and one of the switches is even older.
But the rest of your point is perfectly valid and legit! Hell, we don't even need 10G, infrastructure for multiGig (2.5 and 5G) would be welcome!
That's SFP (not ideal), but yeh, that's definitely a step in the right direction. How new is this product (I didn't see it last time I looked maybe 6 weeks ago)?
Still too industrial looking, still too targeted at enterprise rather than simple home use. But definitely progress. I'd be willing to pay that price for 5 RJ45 ports, slightly less aggressive appearance, and simple "switch it on and plug in" -- drop the RouterOS, VLAN, management and everything else that's no important for home and just adds things that can go wrong.
There's the MikroTik SFP+ switch. 4x10Gb and 1xGb (management port). It's $124 on Amazon right now. I'm looking at that, three 10Gtek 1m direct attach cables, and 3 Intel X520-DA1-10 (Amazon renewed) for $317 total.
Looks like a little 5"x5" switch. Like one of those small Netgear 5 port Gbps switches.
SFP is a terrible way to go for a home 10Gig network... You can't run DAC through your walls and even if you did SMF or MMF, transceivers are expensive. 10GBase-T is the way to go since CAT6a/CAT7 is cheap (I got 1000ft spool for under $200), and that's what I have. The Asus XG-U2008 10GBase-T switch is $200 or under and The Aquantia 10GBase-T NICs are $100 or under. Heck, even the Intel X710-T4 (4x 10gbase-t ports) that I have in my NAS/Server for an aggregated 40Gbit backbone is getting close or below $500 now and my Netgear XS728T switch is seen for under $1000. But anyone can make a simple 10GBase-T home network for $300 or under and one you have that kind of speed, everyone agrees that it's worth it
At least for some of us, the issue is less cost than applicability. There is no home-appropriate equipment -- just a few RJ-45 ports rather than 8+, small rather than rack-sized, no loud jet turbine cooling, no complicated config, no SFP, ...
I do plan to do something greater than GbE when I build a new storage server, but in reality, I only need the faster speed in two places - the server itself, to then support multiple GbE streams off of it, and my primary desktop which is where I tend to do most of my downloading - to then copy up to the server (yes, I could just download right to the server...). Everything else that happens on the network - GbE is not a bottleneck, by any stretch. Nice thing is, the server and my primary desktop and the switch all sit right next to another, so needing some sort of fiber cable or other than a regular Ethernet cable is no big deal, they can all be short.
The reason nothing takes off in the consumer market is simply not the hardware, its the wiring. Unless you are the few people who can buy a brand new home, most homes don't have the required wiring, or enough wiring, or not wired correctly to even use faster speeds.
This isn't some future in a sci-fi movie, the reality is most people rent, or if own a home its old.
So the incentive to crank out faster network equipment at a lower price just is not worth it.
To illustrate my point, a new 60 home subdivision nearby has Cat 5e, 1 cable to main bedroom, 1 cable upstairs den, 1 cable to kitchen because apparently developers think everyone still had phones on wall in kitchen still.
Are you kidding me? Asus has the XG-U2008 10GBase-T switch for $200 or less and aquantia has 10GBase-T NICs (as well as Asus which is based upon Aquantia's IC) for $100 or less. I have a home 10gbase-t network network and even my switch which is a 28 Port 10GBase-T switch (Netgear XS728T) is available on sale for under $1000. CAT6a cable is cheap as dirt and even CAT7 is too which is what I wired my house in.
10GBase-T networks, especially small ones where the only 10gbit connections are between a NAS/server, a switch and a single PC can easily be done for $300 or under.
If you think they're unnecessary, think again with 4K streaming content becoming more and more commonplace. Also, Internet is getting faster and faster for cheaper. I have symmetrical Gigabit (980Mbps download/975Mbps upload) for $70/month and I hear talk of 2Gig, 5Gig, and even 10Gig coming unto the consumer space sooner than later.
What do you mean? There are affordable 10G NICs available now, even 5G and 2.5G. You can direct connect or even make software defined networking switches with the NICs. Seems like people would rather wait for cheap 999999 port 10G switches.
Shouldn't there be some power cap's on these things if they are being used as caching drives? Also .3 DWPD is not much for a NAS system that gets a work out.
this just looks like a 3D nand WD Blue SSD with a red label on it (if it was NAS optimised the Read and Write IOPS be more around 40k For writes sata so it can guarantee constant IOPS and Read/Write speeds and lower latency)
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Golgatha777 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
All that speed and no affordable 10 Gb hardware to take advantage of any of it.igavus - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
What speed are you talking of? The read/write numbers are just.. sad, 10G is needless for this.willis936 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Are you sure you're looking at the right spec table?Sivar - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
The drive can read and write (STR) >500MB/sec. Gigabit Ethernet tops out at 125MB/sec in impossibly perfect conditions.5Gbit is the minimum network bandwidth needed to stress even one of these drives.
name99 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
I frequently get sustained 112 MB/s from my gigE (SSD on iMac through two switches to iMac Pro).Maybe not 125, but I can't complain given the iMac is 7 yrs old and one of the switches is even older.
But the rest of your point is perfectly valid and legit! Hell, we don't even need 10G, infrastructure for multiGig (2.5 and 5G) would be welcome!
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
112 is not 125. His point still stands.2.5G should have become the standard years ago, given it uses the same hardware.
Jorgp2 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
?There's a $150 4 port switch, and cheap cards on eBay.
dgingeri - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
There's a $130 4X10Gb+1X1Gb switch and $85 X520 NICs on Amazon, new. I find that quite affordable.name99 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
That's SFP (not ideal), but yeh, that's definitely a step in the right direction. How new is this product (I didn't see it last time I looked maybe 6 weeks ago)?Still too industrial looking, still too targeted at enterprise rather than simple home use. But definitely progress.
I'd be willing to pay that price for 5 RJ45 ports, slightly less aggressive appearance, and simple "switch it on and plug in" -- drop the RouterOS, VLAN, management and everything else that's no important for home and just adds things that can go wrong.
khanikun - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
There's the MikroTik SFP+ switch. 4x10Gb and 1xGb (management port). It's $124 on Amazon right now. I'm looking at that, three 10Gtek 1m direct attach cables, and 3 Intel X520-DA1-10 (Amazon renewed) for $317 total.Looks like a little 5"x5" switch. Like one of those small Netgear 5 port Gbps switches.
AnarchoPrimitiv - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
SFP is a terrible way to go for a home 10Gig network... You can't run DAC through your walls and even if you did SMF or MMF, transceivers are expensive. 10GBase-T is the way to go since CAT6a/CAT7 is cheap (I got 1000ft spool for under $200), and that's what I have. The Asus XG-U2008 10GBase-T switch is $200 or under and The Aquantia 10GBase-T NICs are $100 or under. Heck, even the Intel X710-T4 (4x 10gbase-t ports) that I have in my NAS/Server for an aggregated 40Gbit backbone is getting close or below $500 now and my Netgear XS728T switch is seen for under $1000. But anyone can make a simple 10GBase-T home network for $300 or under and one you have that kind of speed, everyone agrees that it's worth itsvan1971 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
$85 ? Link please.name99 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
At least for some of us, the issue is less cost than applicability.There is no home-appropriate equipment -- just a few RJ-45 ports rather than 8+, small rather than rack-sized, no loud jet turbine cooling, no complicated config, no SFP, ...
rrinker - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
I do plan to do something greater than GbE when I build a new storage server, but in reality, I only need the faster speed in two places - the server itself, to then support multiple GbE streams off of it, and my primary desktop which is where I tend to do most of my downloading - to then copy up to the server (yes, I could just download right to the server...). Everything else that happens on the network - GbE is not a bottleneck, by any stretch. Nice thing is, the server and my primary desktop and the switch all sit right next to another, so needing some sort of fiber cable or other than a regular Ethernet cable is no big deal, they can all be short.wr3zzz - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
SDD in NAS are for caching. The NAS won't send any large files there, just the tiny ones. Tiny files have tiny read/write speed vs. sequential.imaheadcase - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
The reason nothing takes off in the consumer market is simply not the hardware, its the wiring. Unless you are the few people who can buy a brand new home, most homes don't have the required wiring, or enough wiring, or not wired correctly to even use faster speeds.This isn't some future in a sci-fi movie, the reality is most people rent, or if own a home its old.
So the incentive to crank out faster network equipment at a lower price just is not worth it.
To illustrate my point, a new 60 home subdivision nearby has Cat 5e, 1 cable to main bedroom, 1 cable upstairs den, 1 cable to kitchen because apparently developers think everyone still had phones on wall in kitchen still.
29a - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
The majority of people own homes not rent them.https://www.nmhc.org/research-insight/quick-facts-...
AnarchoPrimitiv - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
Are you kidding me? Asus has the XG-U2008 10GBase-T switch for $200 or less and aquantia has 10GBase-T NICs (as well as Asus which is based upon Aquantia's IC) for $100 or less. I have a home 10gbase-t network network and even my switch which is a 28 Port 10GBase-T switch (Netgear XS728T) is available on sale for under $1000. CAT6a cable is cheap as dirt and even CAT7 is too which is what I wired my house in.10GBase-T networks, especially small ones where the only 10gbit connections are between a NAS/server, a switch and a single PC can easily be done for $300 or under.
If you think they're unnecessary, think again with 4K streaming content becoming more and more commonplace. Also, Internet is getting faster and faster for cheaper. I have symmetrical Gigabit (980Mbps download/975Mbps upload) for $70/month and I hear talk of 2Gig, 5Gig, and even 10Gig coming unto the consumer space sooner than later.
CheapSushi - Wednesday, November 6, 2019 - link
What do you mean? There are affordable 10G NICs available now, even 5G and 2.5G. You can direct connect or even make software defined networking switches with the NICs. Seems like people would rather wait for cheap 999999 port 10G switches.wr3zzz - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Should I wait for NVMe caching SSD for NAS or SATA is more than enough?Supercell99 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Shouldn't there be some power cap's on these things if they are being used as caching drives? Also .3 DWPD is not much for a NAS system that gets a work out.leexgx - Monday, April 27, 2020 - link
this just looks like a 3D nand WD Blue SSD with a red label on it (if it was NAS optimised the Read and Write IOPS be more around 40k For writes sata so it can guarantee constant IOPS and Read/Write speeds and lower latency)Luckz - Monday, September 7, 2020 - link
No, it's like the 2TB Plus launch model (reduced RAM: 512MB at 2TB).