Truth. It's funny how they all went to the AMD thread to whine about AMD fanboys, rather than sitting here bigging-up the mothership's accomplishments. I wonder why might that be..? :D
My bet: they know the drivers will be terrible, and the end result will make AMD's struggle to get full performance out of their architecture look like a fait accompli by comparison.
I'm pretty concerned about Intel talking all about AI. As it seemed for nVidia, also Intel, they talk about graphics but actually they want money in the data center from GPUs so we'll continue to see more high prices and poor performance for gaming. RT, DLSS, AI all distractions from genuine improvements for gaming, it is an attempt to use hardware that was made for another purpose seem like it is gaming technology.
Like Anandtech said in the previous article: "Tiger Lake is monolithic and the Xe graphics inside will provide full INT8 support for AI workloads (which will be supported through Intel DL Boost). This would be built on the Xe-LP microarchitecture, which is targeting sub-25W power on the GPU. Tiger Lake also continues with AVX-512, but also upgrades the Gaussian Neural Accelerator for voice analysis to GNA 2.0." Lots of stuff that isn't low cost high fps. It's a GPU that isn't for gaming, just like nVidia's recent products.
Intel introduced a Ghost Canyon NUC with a GPU slot yesterday ... so the gamers can have whatever GPU they want. They said that Tiger Lake doubles the graphics performance (vs Ice Lake?) and they demoed both DG1 and Tiger Lake's integrated Xe running some game, so looks like Xe does more than ai processing.
That doesn't at all dismiss the possibility that Xe will end up offering poor performance for the price.
Similarly, everyone is assuming they meant double Ice Lake performance, but they just said 10th Gen. Who knows what that's supposed to mean in practice? Will they fix the massive deficit their architecture has in actual games vs synthetics?
TB4 is nice to have but for 99% of the user base it doesn't matter. Most people aren't saturating TB3 as things stand and for all the talk of using TB for creative things like external DGPU have still haven't seen a single person in the real world do that.
The main reason is it's not cost-effective - thanks to the performance loss from TB3, you can get better performance than a GTX 2080 in an external box by building an entire second PC around an RX 5700.
TB4 should sort some of the performance loss, but it's probably not going to do anything good for costs.
Every year there's a big fabby-dabby-do presentation from Intel CES and every year I don't feel my user experience has moved on from 2015. Windows 10, Android 6, iPad Air, 4G, Chromecast, Skylake, Plex; they were all well established by the end of that year. Nothing much has changed since.
Looking forward to widespread WiFi 6 and AV1 deployment but even those will only be incremental improvements.
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brakdoo - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Where are the drones?evilpaul666 - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Look up!Smell This - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
B Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z . . .The Chipzillah Drones are too busy trolling the AMD mobile thread ... ;-)
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Truth. It's funny how they all went to the AMD thread to whine about AMD fanboys, rather than sitting here bigging-up the mothership's accomplishments. I wonder why might that be..? :Dbrantron - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
I just sat through an hour of this for Intel to announce...Chromebooks?!?Alistair - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
And basically learning Intel isn't building a GPU for gaming at all. It's for everything else except that.tiggers - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
This is turning into a lame year for enthusiasts, at least for Intel products.Looking more like another year of AMD.
Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
My bet: they know the drivers will be terrible, and the end result will make AMD's struggle to get full performance out of their architecture look like a fait accompli by comparison.ksec - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Thunderbolt 4 ? Is this new? Dont remember seeing it before.olde94 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
It's been on it's way for some time so yeah it's new, but i doubt there is anything "new" to it other than what we already knewJayNor - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
The Lenovo X1 Fold uses Lakefield, according to this article. I wonder why they didn't mention it...https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intels-first-3d-...
Alistair - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
I'm pretty concerned about Intel talking all about AI. As it seemed for nVidia, also Intel, they talk about graphics but actually they want money in the data center from GPUs so we'll continue to see more high prices and poor performance for gaming. RT, DLSS, AI all distractions from genuine improvements for gaming, it is an attempt to use hardware that was made for another purpose seem like it is gaming technology.Like Anandtech said in the previous article: "Tiger Lake is monolithic and the Xe graphics inside will provide full INT8 support for AI workloads (which will be supported through Intel DL Boost). This would be built on the Xe-LP microarchitecture, which is targeting sub-25W power on the GPU. Tiger Lake also continues with AVX-512, but also upgrades the Gaussian Neural Accelerator for voice analysis to GNA 2.0." Lots of stuff that isn't low cost high fps. It's a GPU that isn't for gaming, just like nVidia's recent products.
JayNor - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Intel introduced a Ghost Canyon NUC with a GPU slot yesterday ... so the gamers can have whatever GPU they want. They said that Tiger Lake doubles the graphics performance (vs Ice Lake?) and they demoed both DG1 and Tiger Lake's integrated Xe running some game, so looks like Xe does more than ai processing.Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
That doesn't at all dismiss the possibility that Xe will end up offering poor performance for the price.Similarly, everyone is assuming they meant double Ice Lake performance, but they just said 10th Gen. Who knows what that's supposed to mean in practice? Will they fix the massive deficit their architecture has in actual games vs synthetics?
tiggers - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
No word on desktop CPUs? Or did I miss that?Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
They have nothing interesting to say. It's variations on 14nm+++ all the way out to the end of 2021 according to their roadmap.hubick - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
All the things, except the 10nm and PCIe 4.0 we really want lol.And all this AI crap, it's hype and I predict a huge crash.
timecop1818 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Nobody gives a fuck about PCIe 4.0. Please give some actual real-life use scenarios where this is needed, thanks.bill44 - Monday, January 6, 2020 - link
Intel did mention new type of conectivity a while ago for tigerlake, hence TB4.TB4 requires PCIe 4.0, therefore Tiger Lake will have PCIe 4.0.
As for TB4, the difficulty will be cableing. Propably optical.
zmatt - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
TB4 is nice to have but for 99% of the user base it doesn't matter. Most people aren't saturating TB3 as things stand and for all the talk of using TB for creative things like external DGPU have still haven't seen a single person in the real world do that.Spunjji - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
The main reason is it's not cost-effective - thanks to the performance loss from TB3, you can get better performance than a GTX 2080 in an external box by building an entire second PC around an RX 5700.TB4 should sort some of the performance loss, but it's probably not going to do anything good for costs.
bill44 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
TB4 is not faster than TB3. Same speed.Xajel - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
It seems Thunderbolt 4 has been here for a while thought Intel is totally silent about it...Here's a Thunderbolt 4 retimer that was already launched on 19Q3, so it's already at least 3 months old...
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
Cyber Abhi - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
If you want an apk for downloading and listening free music then follow this link <a href ="https://cyberabhi.com/instamp3-v1-0-4-free-downloa...Meteor2 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Every year there's a big fabby-dabby-do presentation from Intel CES and every year I don't feel my user experience has moved on from 2015. Windows 10, Android 6, iPad Air, 4G, Chromecast, Skylake, Plex; they were all well established by the end of that year. Nothing much has changed since.Looking forward to widespread WiFi 6 and AV1 deployment but even those will only be incremental improvements.