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  • baka_toroi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Awesome! Thanks, Biostar!
  • mooninite - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Please do us all a favor and install a Linux distribution.
  • baka_toroi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Linux is a piece of shit and will always be.
  • RadiclDreamer - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    While i dont like it as a desktop OS, and its especially not ready for gaming you are out of your mind if you think its a POS. Just about every web server in the world runs linux, you will be hard pressed to find a way to be online today without having (unknowingly) used linux several times.
  • baka_toroi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Does this motherboard look like a server board? Your comment is off-topic.
  • LauRoman - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Any motherboard can be a server board. The board of your router is a server board, and it serves dhcp and even dns redirects (if so configured).
    You are, however, a buffoon.
  • inighthawki - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I don't really think Linux works too well in desktop/workstation environments, but in the server environment, Linux is king. It's reliable, lightweight, and *highly* configurable - not to mention free. The downside is that if you don't know what you're doing you can mess up quite a bit.

    I run a small home server with some containers and VMs and truthfully Windows would suck at doing what I want it to do.
  • Whiteknight2020 - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Windows would probably not suck at what you are trying to do. Server core, docker, windows containers and C# make for a cleaner stack than anything with the monstrosity that's java in it. Not knocking Linux, but they both do lots of jobs very well, and some they are crap at. I just wish big red would put some more effort into Solaris, which is absolutely rock solid and a marvelous platform for messaging apps. Horses for courses.
  • inighthawki - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I have not had a good experience with windows containers in the past, and they have a number of limitations such as being tied to the OS version (for process isolated containers, not hyper-v containers, of course). I've also become much more fond of Linux's network stack.

    Hyper-v is also missing functionality I wanted for VMs such as USB-passthrough. This is just a completely unsupported scenario and I think the only thing close is to find a PCIe based USB controller compatible with IOMMU passthrough, which from my experience looking has been very limited and the ones that do work can be a bit... flaky.

    I am a fairly Windows-y guy, and I originally started the build I planned to use Hyper-V Server but over time I just found Linux to be much better for what I ended up doing.
  • inighthawki - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Also worth noting that .NET core is now cross platform and so C# is becoming more common even on Linux :)
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I don't see any reason why the use of an unsupported operating system by this...um...charming individual would have any impact on the rest of us. While Linux distributions are my primary operating system at home and in the workplace even I will admit that it isn't suitable for everyone.
  • Reflex - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Because botnets need homes. Unsupported/un-updated operating systems tend to be those homes.
  • willis936 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    Keeping ransomware profitable affects us all.
  • DominionSeraph - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    Imagine getting your entire identity from using a hobbyist OS.
  • quiksilvr - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Okay but why though? Windows 7 no longer gets security updates. Unless you are running this set up purely offline (unlikely) what is the benefit of sticking with Windows 7?
  • baka_toroi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    It gets security updates until 2023
  • Buur - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    It very much does not. Unless you are a business paying for patches.
  • Kstailey - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    There are plenty of security options better that MS Windows. Lack of support doesn't scare me and I build custom gaming rigs. Thanks to Biostar, and a Win 7 option. Im in. Windows 10 sucks. Plus, Win 7 is still getting updates. Just got one two days ago.
  • Whiteknight2020 - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Win 10 very much does not suck. Same kernel as server 2016/19, very solid. What sucks is when people stuff it full of legacy cruft or think they know how to "tweak" it better than the guys n gals who wrote the actual code.
  • HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    You mean those guys n gales that wrote the actual code and which deserve a big thank you for providing us with plenty of entertainment about W10 updates hilariously going bonkers. It puts a smile on my face, remembering past W10 update stories while looking forward to the next inevitable W10 update malaise and the wonderfully snarky news coverage that will come with it, inevitably...
  • lilkwarrior - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    You will never be able to utilize modern hardware properly using Windows 7–especially games & pro apps that'll be using DX12 & WinML that Windows 7 simply doesn't have
  • Notmyusualid - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Wow, I can't play all 15 DX12-only games? How am I gonna sleep through the night...
  • HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    Don't worry. You will find that you will sleep through the night just fine. Not being able to play all those shiny games does wonders to your natural sleep cycle. ;-P
  • BedfordTim - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    This will be primarily aimed at industrial systems using hardware without Windows 10 drivers. The consumer versions are just spin offs.
  • LauRoman - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Or a fan of the letter R.
  • JeffFlanagan - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Mostly, it would be for software that can't run on Windows 10, but some people are unable to move on from Win 7 for psychological reasons.
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I have an ex-father-in-law that asks me for occasional computer advice. He still uses Windows 7 because his hobbyist HAM radio gear needs RS-232 (9-pin serial ports) for antenna and satellite dish control. USB to serial adapters that I've tested with him don't seem to work with his equipment and some of his software will not play on Windows 8 or 10. He could probably purchase new software and new control equipment, but it would be pretty expensive (retired, on fixed income) so he's stuck with Windows 7. I've suggested he buy a cheap Win10 system to go online and then keep an air gap via USB thumb drive between 7 and the wider Internet. Not sure if he took my advice or not, but I feel as though he has a semi-valid reason for being chained to 7.
  • willis936 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    I keep a W7 machine for similar reasons: parallel port. The use of DMA means USB/PCIe bridges won’t work.

    As for your case: there is no reason serial can’t work in windows 10 with the use of (probably FTDI) bridges. Counterfeits are rampant, so make sure you get from a reliable source (not amazon).
  • PeachNCream - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    I'll have to revisit moving him to W10 someday so this might be helpful for later. It's only a matter of time before one of those dinosaur laptops checks out for good. Thanks!
  • Kstailey - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    That's a stupid statement. There's plenty of reasons NOT to move to 10. One being it is unstable. Another being it has a plethora pig bugs.
  • Whiteknight2020 - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Most stable OS I've ever used apart from Solaris & server 2016 (which is the same codebase). What makes it unstable is users who install every bit of pirated crap on the planet on it or drivers designed for another century.
  • yetanotherhuman - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    Well, you're not wrong. 10 is bug-filled, ugly, and lacks polish, even to this day, after all the updates it has received. It's also heavier, much more talkative to Microsoft, and is generally more sluggish feeling than 7.
  • Qasar - Saturday, February 22, 2020 - link

    " Well, you're not wrong. 10 is bug-filled, ugly, and lacks polish, even to this day, after all the updates it has received " um yea ok... sure.. must just be your opinion maybe ? i do agree with talking to MS more then previous version of windows...
  • Notmyusualid - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    PRIVACY reasons... do try to keep up.
  • BedfordTim - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    The why is because users may have exotic hardware without Windows 10 support and no replacements available. We old industrial systems in the field and replacing the motherboard means going to W10, which means new touchscreens and cameras, which means new camera housings etc. A simple motherboard replacement ends up costing the end user 20 grand plus.
  • patel21 - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I would really like to see some benchmark numbers for Windows 7 against 10 for this latest hardware.
  • Kstailey - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Benchmarks are more based on hardware than the os, but those I have run doesn't show enough of a difference to ditch 7
  • LauRoman - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Tell that to high core count ryzen machine users. The type of os has a big impact...
  • magreen - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    "Microsoft Windows 7 does not support a host of technologies supported by the latest platforms, which is why Microsoft cut off new hardware support for Windows 7 starting with AMD’s Ryzen"
    ---
    Judging by the latest Patch Tuesday update mess, Microsoft cut off new hardware support for Windows 10 as well.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/second-windows-10-up...
  • Operandi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Is this really news? And who is buying these garbage Biostar boards? This article is dumb and completely pointless.

    There are use cases where you need to run Windows 7 for legacy support yes but those are typically corporate and industrial use cases served and supported by large OEMs. Also they don't need to be running on the latest cutting edge platforms and honestly you probably wouldn't want them to be.

    No consumer / prosumer (which is what the DIY market is) should be using Windows 7. If you really hate 10 that much switch to Mac or get in on that Linux life style.
  • DigitalFreak - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    Chinese people running pirated versions of Windows 7?
  • PeachNCream - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I've used a few Biostar motherboards in the Sandy Bridge and earlier days. They were stable, but unintersting low-cost products that did their job and caused no grief. In fact, the Sandy Bridge box was something I gave to a coworker and it is still serving as a cheap gaming system even as I write this post. Has quality slid since then or are they just not competing well on premium features and look less appealing as a result?
  • Operandi - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    I used one to build a budget gaming system for a co-worker before I knew what a VRM really was. The board was a actually pretty stable but wanted to occasionally reset the BIOS settings to defaults.

    The problem with Biostar is seemingly everything they make is low-end, even their boards based on high-end chipsets aimed at the performance end of the segment. High-end CPUs like 9900/9700 need a good VRM to run with any sort of stability and longevity; Biostar dosn't build boards like that, they build to a price point. Margins on mid-range to low-end boards are very low and Biostar boards are literally built to the lowest price point possible to function, thats why Biostar is garbage.
  • uefi - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link

    No.
  • Notmyusualid - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link

    We need a go-fund-me, to write usb drivers for Win 7 and Z390...
  • MDD1963 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link

    Excellent timing...! I mean why *WOULDN'T* someone add support for a 10+ year old OS a full month or so after it being officially deprecated and no longer supported?

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