Minecraft is just unique in that it isnt developed by a big business like EA. I believe notch designed this game as a fun off to the side project until it became popular. For this reason, minecraft would loose some of that cool indie aspect that I remember when I had time to mess around with the game almost a year ago.
It is impossible for a big business like EA to develop a game like Minecraft. Big businesses are ruled by old accountants that only care about profits. Profits = good business? Innovation = What's that?
That's why games are so stagnant these days and almost all are rip-offs of older games. There is almost 0 innovation. Modern games are unimaginative, unoriginal, linear, boring, repetitive and they chew the same old bubble gum over and over again: orcs, elves, goblins, zombies and the single US marine saving the universe.
I really cannot stand games with orcs, elves and zombies any longer. I've almost quit gaming because of that. I have also always been interested in developing games but I don't care about it any longer. I'd rather spend the rest of my life managing SQL databases because of all that.
Minecraft is one rare gem in a mountain of recycled garbage.
Thanks for naming some of the reasons i refuse to use Steam. I haven'e ever bought a game on there and had it just work, with no effort. I always, ALWAYS have to edit registry entries and recheck game files and data. Often time I have to un-install and reinstall not just the game, but DX and my GPU drivers.
I HATE HATE HATE Steam with a fiery passion that consumes my soul. I will never buy anything from them EVER again.
a "top of the line system with 590GTX graphics" doesn't mean it isn't completely screwed up, nor that the user has even the most remote clue what they're doing.
I don't even use steam or play games... I just know for a fact that users who claim they have horrible problems with every game and they to re-install this and that every week are idiots. PEBCAK
Steam didn't gain the admiration and respect of millions upon millions of gamers because of registry issues and data inconsistencies. I won't deny that some games have issues being played on steam (Battlefield 2 is rough), but you sound like a person who's had one bad experience and are writing off a great system due to inexperience and predisposition.
Valve is one of the few big companies I have a lot of respect for. Their huge, huge support for indie developers trumps the idea that all they look for is profit and stagnate game concepts, giving small dev groups with sweet new ideas a shot (looking at you, Zingam). What the majority of end users don't understand is that a platform like Steam -needs- to have rules and set way of how things are done in order for it to all come together, and judging by how much Steam as a platform has improved over the past couple years, I highly doubt they won't make changes down the road to take better care of their customers.
I can certainly see Minecraft coming to steam sometime down the road. It's still in beta, so that leaves a lot of questions for what direction the game will go in. Once it's all nailed down, Mojang and the Steam team will probably talk again.
To be honest, I've been using steam since shortly after its public release, using exclusively as a CS platform, but over the last year I've become increasingly displeased with the service. After bad experiences with Dragon Age:Origins, Portal, Titan Quest, and a couple other games, I've become more frustrated with them than happy at its convenience. These days any game can have an effective matchmaking and hosting system, and while steam is nice in theory, its requirement that you need to be online to play (it takes a long wait to get it to run in offline mode), the bugs in steam cloud (deleted hours of progress for my gf's torchlight character), the purchasing restrictions (can't buy games from outside the country, even when I was living in Japan for 6 months, I couldn't purchase new games off of steam, even after calling them and asking for a release on my account for Japan), etc. etc. These aren't problems that I've faced with microsoft games online, and frankly every chance I get I buy a hard copy of the game off of amazon for a lower price anyway. There's other annoyances, like inability to reinstall a game or fix an installation without downloading it all over again (unless you 'back up' the game, a feature which they've never highlighted or made clear post download). To top it all off, it could stand to be more lightweight, and less of a bandwidth hog with constant mandatory updates - it's almost as bad as an apple product.
All told, steam is no longer the great service it once was for me as an end user, and it seems that on the developer side it's not sitting so well either. Hopefully there will be a new kid in town some day, but I've got no particular love left for steam at this point. It was a big step forward for finding CS servers though.
Then explain games like EQ2 and Sims3 and fallout3 where you only get your content from another vendor in the game. Bioshock2 and dragon age and both mass effect games totlly bypass steam for content.
Steam has all the bad things about Content Delivering combined: - It's Monopoly. Steam will raise the prices within the next 5 years, because there is zero competition. (Almost all the good titles are Steam-Exclusive outside the U.S. already) - DRM, DRM, DRM everywhere - You buy only a licence of the games for time you are on steam. - If you buy an uncensored US Version as Hardcopy and activate it on an European steam account the game is altered to a censored European Version. Reminder: Quake 4, where you are missing significant parts of the Story. - The support is non existent - Steam is targeted massively for account hacking. - You have to update every f**ng game every time you log in, even if you play it only in singleplayer.
- Its not a monopoly there are other methods of digital distribution, steam is just the best out there. Steam wont raise the price in 5 years if they were going to do that they would have done it already, if anything as of right now there are more digital competitors then ever. Not to mention a huge reason people use steam so much is the deals they offer.
- DRM is everywhere anyway Steams DRM is the next best next to no DRM. Ever use Ubisofts DRM? its the worst. If anything steams DRM allows devs to stop using the bad kinds of DRM in favor of steams.
- That depends on the game, some games give CD-keys that work with a boxed game. And that's no different then most digital copies.
- Thats just steam covering its ass when the EU comes knocking for loads of money. You are bypassing censor laws by doing that.
- Support is provided not only by valve, but also the devs of the game you're playing. Not to mention the steam forums are a pool of knowledge for most errors.
- This comment shows how little you use steam. Every time you log in from a different IP/computer Steam sends you an email with a code to your email account associated with your steam account that allows you to login. Its not steams fault if you fail at account security.
- False. You can set games to not auto update. also i should add : Oh noes i don't have to search the internet for patches for every game i play. damn you steam that's half the fun.
Actually steam is helping PC gamers in multiple ways. It has helped many many indie studios bring their games to millions of users easily and inexpensively. Provides gamers with great features, like steam cloud, Profiles, friends lists, Easy join a friend in games connectivity, Messaging users despite what game you or they are playing, easy screenshot sharing and upload, recording video, the lost goes on and on.
Of the 77 or so games i own on steam I've had maybe 3 or 4 errors that were easily fixed (and likely they weren't solely because of steam).
Just because you've had a bad experience(s) with steam in the past doesn't mean every user has as well.
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prophet001 - Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - link
Very smart to not cave to the machineZanegray - Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - link
Minecraft is just unique in that it isnt developed by a big business like EA. I believe notch designed this game as a fun off to the side project until it became popular. For this reason, minecraft would loose some of that cool indie aspect that I remember when I had time to mess around with the game almost a year ago.Zingam - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
It is impossible for a big business like EA to develop a game like Minecraft. Big businesses are ruled by old accountants that only care about profits. Profits = good business? Innovation = What's that?That's why games are so stagnant these days and almost all are rip-offs of older games. There is almost 0 innovation. Modern games are unimaginative, unoriginal, linear, boring, repetitive and they chew the same old bubble gum over and over again: orcs, elves, goblins, zombies and the single US marine saving the universe.
I really cannot stand games with orcs, elves and zombies any longer. I've almost quit gaming because of that. I have also always been interested in developing games but I don't care about it any longer. I'd rather spend the rest of my life managing SQL databases because of all that.
Minecraft is one rare gem in a mountain of recycled garbage.
Hrel - Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - link
Thanks for naming some of the reasons i refuse to use Steam. I haven'e ever bought a game on there and had it just work, with no effort. I always, ALWAYS have to edit registry entries and recheck game files and data. Often time I have to un-install and reinstall not just the game, but DX and my GPU drivers.I HATE HATE HATE Steam with a fiery passion that consumes my soul. I will never buy anything from them EVER again.
johnsonx - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
then your system is just screwed up and you probably have no clue what you're doing.aguilpa1 - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
Naw, I have top of the line system with 590GTX graphics..., Steam sucks. You sheep continue to feed the machine, its what you do best.johnsonx - Thursday, September 1, 2011 - link
a "top of the line system with 590GTX graphics" doesn't mean it isn't completely screwed up, nor that the user has even the most remote clue what they're doing.I don't even use steam or play games... I just know for a fact that users who claim they have horrible problems with every game and they to re-install this and that every week are idiots. PEBCAK
johnsonx - Thursday, September 1, 2011 - link
damn... Typo'd PEBKAC. Doh!TheSev - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
Steam didn't gain the admiration and respect of millions upon millions of gamers because of registry issues and data inconsistencies. I won't deny that some games have issues being played on steam (Battlefield 2 is rough), but you sound like a person who's had one bad experience and are writing off a great system due to inexperience and predisposition.Valve is one of the few big companies I have a lot of respect for. Their huge, huge support for indie developers trumps the idea that all they look for is profit and stagnate game concepts, giving small dev groups with sweet new ideas a shot (looking at you, Zingam). What the majority of end users don't understand is that a platform like Steam -needs- to have rules and set way of how things are done in order for it to all come together, and judging by how much Steam as a platform has improved over the past couple years, I highly doubt they won't make changes down the road to take better care of their customers.
I can certainly see Minecraft coming to steam sometime down the road. It's still in beta, so that leaves a lot of questions for what direction the game will go in. Once it's all nailed down, Mojang and the Steam team will probably talk again.
darunium - Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - link
To be honest, I've been using steam since shortly after its public release, using exclusively as a CS platform, but over the last year I've become increasingly displeased with the service. After bad experiences with Dragon Age:Origins, Portal, Titan Quest, and a couple other games, I've become more frustrated with them than happy at its convenience. These days any game can have an effective matchmaking and hosting system, and while steam is nice in theory, its requirement that you need to be online to play (it takes a long wait to get it to run in offline mode), the bugs in steam cloud (deleted hours of progress for my gf's torchlight character), the purchasing restrictions (can't buy games from outside the country, even when I was living in Japan for 6 months, I couldn't purchase new games off of steam, even after calling them and asking for a release on my account for Japan), etc. etc. These aren't problems that I've faced with microsoft games online, and frankly every chance I get I buy a hard copy of the game off of amazon for a lower price anyway. There's other annoyances, like inability to reinstall a game or fix an installation without downloading it all over again (unless you 'back up' the game, a feature which they've never highlighted or made clear post download). To top it all off, it could stand to be more lightweight, and less of a bandwidth hog with constant mandatory updates - it's almost as bad as an apple product.All told, steam is no longer the great service it once was for me as an end user, and it seems that on the developer side it's not sitting so well either. Hopefully there will be a new kid in town some day, but I've got no particular love left for steam at this point. It was a big step forward for finding CS servers though.
JKflipflop98 - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
Then explain games like EQ2 and Sims3 and fallout3 where you only get your content from another vendor in the game. Bioshock2 and dragon age and both mass effect games totlly bypass steam for content.jo-82 - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
Steam has all the bad things about Content Delivering combined:- It's Monopoly. Steam will raise the prices within the next 5 years, because there is zero competition. (Almost all the good titles are Steam-Exclusive outside the U.S. already)
- DRM, DRM, DRM everywhere
- You buy only a licence of the games for time you are on steam.
- If you buy an uncensored US Version as Hardcopy and activate it on an European steam account the game is altered to a censored European Version. Reminder: Quake 4, where you are missing significant parts of the Story.
- The support is non existent
- Steam is targeted massively for account hacking.
- You have to update every f**ng game every time you log in, even if you play it only in singleplayer.
Steam is the cancer which kills PC gaming.
Proxy711 - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - link
- Its not a monopoly there are other methods of digital distribution, steam is just the best out there. Steam wont raise the price in 5 years if they were going to do that they would have done it already, if anything as of right now there are more digital competitors then ever. Not to mention a huge reason people use steam so much is the deals they offer.- DRM is everywhere anyway Steams DRM is the next best next to no DRM. Ever use Ubisofts DRM? its the worst. If anything steams DRM allows devs to stop using the bad kinds of DRM in favor of steams.
- That depends on the game, some games give CD-keys that work with a boxed game. And that's no different then most digital copies.
- Thats just steam covering its ass when the EU comes knocking for loads of money. You are bypassing censor laws by doing that.
- Support is provided not only by valve, but also the devs of the game you're playing. Not to mention the steam forums are a pool of knowledge for most errors.
- This comment shows how little you use steam. Every time you log in from a different IP/computer Steam sends you an email with a code to your email account associated with your steam account that allows you to login. Its not steams fault if you fail at account security.
- False. You can set games to not auto update. also i should add : Oh noes i don't have to search the internet for patches for every game i play. damn you steam that's half the fun.
Actually steam is helping PC gamers in multiple ways. It has helped many many indie studios bring their games to millions of users easily and inexpensively. Provides gamers with great features, like steam cloud, Profiles, friends lists, Easy join a friend in games connectivity, Messaging users despite what game you or they are playing, easy screenshot sharing and upload, recording video, the lost goes on and on.
Of the 77 or so games i own on steam I've had maybe 3 or 4 errors that were easily fixed (and likely they weren't solely because of steam).
Just because you've had a bad experience(s) with steam in the past doesn't mean every user has as well.
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