No, it's not. As long as people like you are around, then OEM's are going to keep charging exorbitant prices for incremental capacity increases. The industry needs to move forward, not be held back by such restrictions. By your logic, Intel should still be making 486's!
Nobody except hardcore techies require 128gb onboard... For some odd reason, there is a chunk of techies who refuse to use cloud storage for some odd conspiracy reasons... Its quite odd and ironic that self described techies refuse to adopt new technologies. I've been perfectly fine with 8gb because I have 200gb OneDrive at all times.
Conspiracy theories, my ass. I don't use cloud storage because it burns through bandwidth like crazy. I only have a half-gig on my plan so I cannot afford to access the cloud every time I want to look at a picture or play a song.
Not just that, but the stupid partitioning and app location limitations.
My phone has 8GB storage and a microSD slot, but only 1.5MB "User application space" and 4GB "internal storage" (remainder is for OS?). Yup, I can only install 1.5GB of apps.
The slowest 840 EVO I've seen is around 150MB/sec random and 180MB/sec sequential.
That's on par with a second gen SATA 2 SSD such as an Intel SSD 320. No consumer class hard drive has less than 1ms access time and 150MB/sec random read.
And what's important is, astonishingly, the reliability doesn't seem to have been affected, so the algorithms that are slowing the drives down might actually be doing their job.
One of my 840EVO drives has sequential reads as low as 8.8MB/s and large portions of the drive read at ~50MB/s. The problems are very real. However, as you point out, access times are still incredibly fast, so despite this incredible degradation in sequential read speed, my desktop does not feel like it is running on a spinning HDD. This is not to excuse Samsung though, these speeds are far less than advertised and the drive is degrading well within the warranty, so I expect a firmware update that will fix the problem or a replacement drive if a firmware fix is not possible.
Sammobile's recent leak shows that the Galaxy S 6 will come in 32GB, 64GB and 128GB options so I think its a good possibility that UFS will be in the S6
I am a pretty loyal Windows Phone person, but the S5 was pretty tempting, and my phone is having issues with no replacement coming until 'this summer' which might mean as late as October (because Microsoft). If the S6 is as good as I am expecting then I might jump ship for a generation and give Android a try. I really like Windows Phone as an OS... but without availability in the US of a proper flagship smaller than 6" I really don't know what to do.
Please don't take Samsung flagship if you want to give android a try. I don't recommend their awful bloated UI which gives android a bad name. Unless you're planning to install custom ROM which is quite adventurous for someone who want to give something a try.
Let's just be fair, go to find nexus 5/6 (reference model) and galaxy S5, compare them and find which one you like. I do prefer 6 as it is made to be premium not cutting off here and there like nexus 4/5.
Microsoft should release win10 on June/July if they want to catch up with back-to-school so you might get it earlier. Hey, it's not Ballmer era anymore.
New phones around October make sense for Microsoft and customers because 1. the new generation of 20nm Snapdragon processors will be out (a process advance only happens every 2 years) and 2. Windows Phone 10 will be out.
To get media attention you need to release new models constantly but in reality the hardware only moves forward significantly once every two years and the software updates old models as well as new models.
This is great news! Phones have very capable CPU, GPU and wireless transfer speeds. Phones made in the last year or so even have decent RAM speeds. But there is not a phone on earth yet with acceptable eMMC storage speed. It just makes phones feel so slow and sluggish when they are capable of so much more!
I mean, my desktop, which is loaded down with software, can boot in ~4-7 seconds, so why do phones take 30+ seconds to boot when there is nothing there to begin with? This should really help speed things along.
You are right. UFS, promoted by JEDEC, is actually a rival specification to traditional SD cards, promoted by the SD Association. The latest SD bus interface is UHS-II.
However, it would appear the initial focus of UFS is likely to be in embedded applications, potentially rivalling the eMMC standard, rather than in external card storage.
Yeah, I would assume, hope, and expect that UFS stays in the embedded world, essentially replacing eMMC. While it was nice (for embedded developers) to be able to use the same interface for SD cards and eMMC, an improvement is always great. Although when it come to removable SD cards, having another (in-compatible) standard isn't going to be a great thing.
Hopefully this means if Apple wants to offer users the fastest storage they won't even be able to ripoff users with 16 GB of space because no 16 GB UFS package will be available.
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nandnandnand - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
16 GB can't die soon enough.CaedenV - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
forget about 16GB, look at all of the phones and tablets coming out with only 8GB onboard! 32GB should be a minimum standard in this day and age.Murloc - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
8 GB are enough for me and most people who buy cheap phones, that's why it exists.I don't need to load a whole music library on it, nor do I play games on my phone.
cwolf78 - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
No, it's not. As long as people like you are around, then OEM's are going to keep charging exorbitant prices for incremental capacity increases. The industry needs to move forward, not be held back by such restrictions. By your logic, Intel should still be making 486's!LordanSS - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
I have a dual chip smartphone with 4GB of internal NAND storage. I put the rest of my stuff on a class-10 64GB microSD card.To each their own, but I'm quite happy with what I got, low end and all.
lizardsquad - Friday, February 27, 2015 - link
Nobody except hardcore techies require 128gb onboard... For some odd reason, there is a chunk of techies who refuse to use cloud storage for some odd conspiracy reasons... Its quite odd and ironic that self described techies refuse to adopt new technologies. I've been perfectly fine with 8gb because I have 200gb OneDrive at all times.Denithor - Friday, February 27, 2015 - link
Conspiracy theories, my ass. I don't use cloud storage because it burns through bandwidth like crazy. I only have a half-gig on my plan so I cannot afford to access the cloud every time I want to look at a picture or play a song.sonicmerlin - Sunday, March 1, 2015 - link
To be fair Windows Phone handles SD storage seamlessly. It treats it like it's internal NAMD.Zap - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
Not just that, but the stupid partitioning and app location limitations.My phone has 8GB storage and a microSD slot, but only 1.5MB "User application space" and 4GB "internal storage" (remainder is for OS?). Yup, I can only install 1.5GB of apps.
NoWayMan - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Need to add an 'r' to Smartphones in the title... unless you're trying to spell it phonetically for people from Boston.Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Oh god. Haha. Thanks.2kfire - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Signed in just to say I literally laughed out loudPlease give the OP +1 internets
WorldWithoutMadness - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Samsung technologies?Better wait 1-2 years and see whether any problems occurs or you'll get HDD class speed.
SilthDraeth - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLYou so funny!
Samus - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
The slowest 840 EVO I've seen is around 150MB/sec random and 180MB/sec sequential.That's on par with a second gen SATA 2 SSD such as an Intel SSD 320. No consumer class hard drive has less than 1ms access time and 150MB/sec random read.
And what's important is, astonishingly, the reliability doesn't seem to have been affected, so the algorithms that are slowing the drives down might actually be doing their job.
Gich - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
I saw it drop to 35MB/s in sequential.Murloc - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
mine is doing 0.7 MB/s on some files, but I haven't restored it yet. It's just a year old.3DoubleD - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
One of my 840EVO drives has sequential reads as low as 8.8MB/s and large portions of the drive read at ~50MB/s. The problems are very real. However, as you point out, access times are still incredibly fast, so despite this incredible degradation in sequential read speed, my desktop does not feel like it is running on a spinning HDD. This is not to excuse Samsung though, these speeds are far less than advertised and the drive is degrading well within the warranty, so I expect a firmware update that will fix the problem or a replacement drive if a firmware fix is not possible.TechTrolls - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Sammobile's recent leak shows that the Galaxy S 6 will come in 32GB, 64GB and 128GB options so I think its a good possibility that UFS will be in the S6CaedenV - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
I am a pretty loyal Windows Phone person, but the S5 was pretty tempting, and my phone is having issues with no replacement coming until 'this summer' which might mean as late as October (because Microsoft). If the S6 is as good as I am expecting then I might jump ship for a generation and give Android a try. I really like Windows Phone as an OS... but without availability in the US of a proper flagship smaller than 6" I really don't know what to do.WorldWithoutMadness - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
Please don't take Samsung flagship if you want to give android a try.I don't recommend their awful bloated UI which gives android a bad name. Unless you're planning to install custom ROM which is quite adventurous for someone who want to give something a try.
Let's just be fair, go to find nexus 5/6 (reference model) and galaxy S5, compare them and find which one you like. I do prefer 6 as it is made to be premium not cutting off here and there like nexus 4/5.
Microsoft should release win10 on June/July if they want to catch up with back-to-school so you might get it earlier. Hey, it's not Ballmer era anymore.
CSMR - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
New phones around October make sense for Microsoft and customers because 1. the new generation of 20nm Snapdragon processors will be out (a process advance only happens every 2 years) and 2. Windows Phone 10 will be out.To get media attention you need to release new models constantly but in reality the hardware only moves forward significantly once every two years and the software updates old models as well as new models.
CaedenV - Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - link
This is great news! Phones have very capable CPU, GPU and wireless transfer speeds. Phones made in the last year or so even have decent RAM speeds. But there is not a phone on earth yet with acceptable eMMC storage speed. It just makes phones feel so slow and sluggish when they are capable of so much more!I mean, my desktop, which is loaded down with software, can boot in ~4-7 seconds, so why do phones take 30+ seconds to boot when there is nothing there to begin with? This should really help speed things along.
Pissedoffyouth - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
My emmc windows tablet boots in that kind of time. Its an android thing I thinkmkozakewich - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
My phone takes over a minute to boot, while my Windows tablet boots in maybe 20 seconds.GlynG - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
Will phones come with just one of these chips or might this finally lead to 256GB phones? I'd be very keen for 256 + 128GB micro-sd storage.Klug4Pres - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
Saygus V², if released, will have 64GB plus 2 microSDXC slots for 320GB potential total capacity.By the way, it's UFS-II not UFS 2.0 as Samsung says in their press release and as has been repeated in this article.
extide - Thursday, February 26, 2015 - link
No, the article is correct. You are thinking of UHS-I and UHS-II, not UFS.Klug4Pres - Friday, February 27, 2015 - link
You are right. UFS, promoted by JEDEC, is actually a rival specification to traditional SD cards, promoted by the SD Association. The latest SD bus interface is UHS-II.However, it would appear the initial focus of UFS is likely to be in embedded applications, potentially rivalling the eMMC standard, rather than in external card storage.
Got confused there.
extide - Sunday, March 1, 2015 - link
Yeah, I would assume, hope, and expect that UFS stays in the embedded world, essentially replacing eMMC. While it was nice (for embedded developers) to be able to use the same interface for SD cards and eMMC, an improvement is always great. Although when it come to removable SD cards, having another (in-compatible) standard isn't going to be a great thing.sonicmerlin - Sunday, March 1, 2015 - link
Hopefully this means if Apple wants to offer users the fastest storage they won't even be able to ripoff users with 16 GB of space because no 16 GB UFS package will be available.