I just had to comment on that last slide. "2x the commercial client design wins" does that mean there are two laptops available now?
Industry leading image stability and platform longevity is a direct result of lack of innovation and new products. They just hang around a lot longer. AMD could tout the desktop FX CPUs as having industry leading platform longevity too.
That knock was on AMD. This is on OEMs. No OEMs make quality machines with AMD processors. This APU gives the hint it may actually be decent competition for Intel in certain markets, but will we see a quality laptop sporting this processor - unlikely.
<quote> 28nm notebook APU versus Intel’s 14nm notebook CPUs, the company is once again banking on their strong GPU performance to help drive sales. <end quote> That sums up the joke :D If Broadwell + a low level NVIDIA discrete GPU can perform better than Carrizo with comparable power envelopes, Carrizo is dead.
Only problem is that OEMs have moved away form discrete GPUs and running laptops mainly off of intel HD graphics. This for myself is very annoying because a discrete GPU will always be better and normal consumers don't get it or really need it for that matter. Facebook Machines. The likelihood of a thin laptop in the normal consumer range(not gaming or high end) with a discrete card is rare these days. So carrizo will have some nice areas to fit in and compete against intel HD. The amd APUs are not great on the CPU side but in the Facebook machine market(most everyday laptops) they are more than enough, and the added benefit of better gaming performance is a very nice plus on a budget laptop.
Carrizo parts won't be even near 4K panels. The devices these will be sold with will mainly have 1366x768 TN panels or at maximum 1080p. The whole 4K decoding will be useless as these will likely never be in a house with a 4K screen.
That depends. I know a good few people that would plunk down lots of cash for a high-end TV, and their PC is a budget machine - almost an afterthought.
Seriously doubt that an Intel Broadwell with a dedicated NVIDIA GPU will perform better or on par with a AMD APU at the same or lower price. A majority would want strong GPU performance at a affordable price mainly for gaming applications. The same majority would more than likely just want to be able to play upcoming games at playable frame-rates and med-high settings. Resolution is less relevant because its a laptop. Carrizo is reported to be double the benchmarks of Kaveri which put it at GTX 860-870 levels. The current FX-7500 (Kaveri) laptop APU can play Battlefield 4 at 30fps on low settings and that's a $450 laptop. You would have to buy a NVIDIA 820M laptop to do those benchmarks which would set you at the same $450 price tag. If the claims are that Carrizo is double the benchmarks than Kaveri then the same $450 Carrizo laptop will be benchmarking at the level of a GT 840/850M which is at a +$700 price tag. That mean Carizzo wins on bang for a buck gaming laptop under $600.
Seriously doubt that an Intel Broadwell with a dedicated NVIDIA GPU will perform better or on par with a AMD APU at the same or lower price. A majority would want strong GPU performance at a affordable price mainly for gaming applications. The same majority would more than likely just want to be able to play upcoming games at playable frame-rates and med-high settings. Resolution is less relevant because its a laptop. Carrizo is reported to be double the benchmarks of Kaveri which put it at GTX 860-870 levels. The current FX-7500 (Kaveri) laptop APU can play Battlefield 4 at 30fps on low settings and that's a $450 laptop. You would have to buy a NVIDIA 820M laptop to do those benchmarks which would set you at the same $450 price tag. If the claims are that Carrizo is double the benchmarks than Kaveri then the same $450 Carrizo laptop will be benchmarking at the level of a GT 840/850M which is at a +$700 price tag. That mean Carizzo wins on bang for a buck gaming laptop under $600.
Other than mobile SoCs, NAND, and anything Intel (who has their own fabs), has anything been manufactured on a sub-28nm yet?
My guess is that TSMC and GF still do not have a suitable sub-28nm process for compute hardware. I can see this being due to any one or combination of the following:
fabs optimized for mobile fabs do not have available volume fabs have poor yields pricing is too high
Their old fab arm Globalfoundries has failed to deliver compared to Intel, just like the industry leader TSMC. Fabless companies like AMD are at the mercy of their suppliers
Er, IBM would be the industry leader outside of Intel before they sold their foundries to GloFo. TSMC was the leader for commercial until 28nm. Samsung spent more money for 20/14-16FF than TSMC and is now the industry leader.
GloFo is licensing Samsung 14FF process... Hence, will be ahead of TSMC.
So what happens further down the line in the A6 and A4 areas? Nothing? I was hoping they'd have something nice for the little 10" to 12" ultra-portable machines.
I actually calculated the cost of a top of the line FX computer vs a fairly good i7 Haswell quad core...
My conclusion is that both computer will cost roughly the same, with FX saving a little bit of money (Cheaper CPU, much more expensive cooling + power supply).
With processor disspating 3 to 4 times the power of i7... I'm pretty sure the difference I saved going with FX will show up on my electric bill pretty soon..
I hope the clockspeed of the new CPUs are decent! AMD's laptop chips are weak. Make some 45W and 57W TDP laptop chips, AMD! 35w is not enough to compete against Intel, it's not better than maybe a 2.2GHZ Skylake i3 i would guesstimate. Have it base clock to 2.8GHZ and turbo to 4GHZ+ for a high end laptop chip.
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eanazag - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
I just had to comment on that last slide. "2x the commercial client design wins" does that mean there are two laptops available now?Industry leading image stability and platform longevity is a direct result of lack of innovation and new products. They just hang around a lot longer. AMD could tout the desktop FX CPUs as having industry leading platform longevity too.
eanazag - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
That knock was on AMD. This is on OEMs. No OEMs make quality machines with AMD processors. This APU gives the hint it may actually be decent competition for Intel in certain markets, but will we see a quality laptop sporting this processor - unlikely.rocketbuddha - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
<quote>28nm notebook APU versus Intel’s 14nm notebook CPUs, the company is once again banking on their strong GPU performance to help drive sales.
<end quote>
That sums up the joke :D
If Broadwell + a low level NVIDIA discrete GPU can perform better than Carrizo with comparable power envelopes, Carrizo is dead.
Crunchy005 - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Only problem is that OEMs have moved away form discrete GPUs and running laptops mainly off of intel HD graphics. This for myself is very annoying because a discrete GPU will always be better and normal consumers don't get it or really need it for that matter. Facebook Machines. The likelihood of a thin laptop in the normal consumer range(not gaming or high end) with a discrete card is rare these days. So carrizo will have some nice areas to fit in and compete against intel HD. The amd APUs are not great on the CPU side but in the Facebook machine market(most everyday laptops) they are more than enough, and the added benefit of better gaming performance is a very nice plus on a budget laptop.Crunchy005 - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
O also, carrizo can support 4K decoding at 30FPS, something Intel can't do yet.Taneli - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Carrizo parts won't be even near 4K panels. The devices these will be sold with will mainly have 1366x768 TN panels or at maximum 1080p. The whole 4K decoding will be useless as these will likely never be in a house with a 4K screen.Alexvrb - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
That depends. I know a good few people that would plunk down lots of cash for a high-end TV, and their PC is a budget machine - almost an afterthought.Gigaplex - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
People still plug external displays into laptops.assemblethelight - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
Seriously doubt that an Intel Broadwell with a dedicated NVIDIA GPU will perform better or on par with a AMD APU at the same or lower price. A majority would want strong GPU performance at a affordable price mainly for gaming applications. The same majority would more than likely just want to be able to play upcoming games at playable frame-rates and med-high settings. Resolution is less relevant because its a laptop. Carrizo is reported to be double the benchmarks of Kaveri which put it at GTX 860-870 levels. The current FX-7500 (Kaveri) laptop APU can play Battlefield 4 at 30fps on low settings and that's a $450 laptop. You would have to buy a NVIDIA 820M laptop to do those benchmarks which would set you at the same $450 price tag. If the claims are that Carrizo is double the benchmarks than Kaveri then the same $450 Carrizo laptop will be benchmarking at the level of a GT 840/850M which is at a +$700 price tag. That mean Carizzo wins on bang for a buck gaming laptop under $600.assemblethelight - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
Seriously doubt that an Intel Broadwell with a dedicated NVIDIA GPU will perform better or on par with a AMD APU at the same or lower price. A majority would want strong GPU performance at a affordable price mainly for gaming applications. The same majority would more than likely just want to be able to play upcoming games at playable frame-rates and med-high settings. Resolution is less relevant because its a laptop. Carrizo is reported to be double the benchmarks of Kaveri which put it at GTX 860-870 levels. The current FX-7500 (Kaveri) laptop APU can play Battlefield 4 at 30fps on low settings and that's a $450 laptop. You would have to buy a NVIDIA 820M laptop to do those benchmarks which would set you at the same $450 price tag. If the claims are that Carrizo is double the benchmarks than Kaveri then the same $450 Carrizo laptop will be benchmarking at the level of a GT 840/850M which is at a +$700 price tag. That mean Carizzo wins on bang for a buck gaming laptop under $600.Xailter - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Oh c'mon AMD - why are these still on 28nm? :(Novacius - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Probably because it's too early for 14nm and 20nm might not be a huge enough improvement in terms of energy efficiency, let alone cost.MrCommunistGen - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Other than mobile SoCs, NAND, and anything Intel (who has their own fabs), has anything been manufactured on a sub-28nm yet?My guess is that TSMC and GF still do not have a suitable sub-28nm process for compute hardware. I can see this being due to any one or combination of the following:
fabs optimized for mobile
fabs do not have available volume
fabs have poor yields
pricing is too high
Arguably, several of those are interrelated.
menting - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
MrCommunistGen, you forgot DRAM.kyuu - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Because AMD has no control over the process. That is entirely up to the fabs, and TSMC and GloFo are lagging.Xailter - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
I know they don't own their own fabs anymore, I just find it... disappointing :-/Taneli - Wednesday, May 6, 2015 - link
Their old fab arm Globalfoundries has failed to deliver compared to Intel, just like the industry leader TSMC. Fabless companies like AMD are at the mercy of their supplierstestbug00 - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
Er, IBM would be the industry leader outside of Intel before they sold their foundries to GloFo. TSMC was the leader for commercial until 28nm. Samsung spent more money for 20/14-16FF than TSMC and is now the industry leader.GloFo is licensing Samsung 14FF process... Hence, will be ahead of TSMC.
Pissedoffyouth - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
How about a desktop APU I can drop into my FM2 mboard?Mr Perfect - Thursday, May 7, 2015 - link
So what happens further down the line in the A6 and A4 areas? Nothing? I was hoping they'd have something nice for the little 10" to 12" ultra-portable machines.zodiacfml - Friday, May 8, 2015 - link
28nm in 2016?! I'd be interested if pricing is competing with Intel's current Atoms.ZycaManiac - Sunday, August 2, 2015 - link
I actually calculated the cost of a top of the line FX computer vs a fairly good i7 Haswell quad core...My conclusion is that both computer will cost roughly the same, with FX saving a little bit of money (Cheaper CPU, much more expensive cooling + power supply).
With processor disspating 3 to 4 times the power of i7... I'm pretty sure the difference I saved going with FX will show up on my electric bill pretty soon..
danwat1234 - Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - link
Yup, power efficiency adds up over time. AMD's going to not have a high powered laptop chip for enthusiasts most likely, because they (AMD) sucksdanwat1234 - Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - link
I hope the clockspeed of the new CPUs are decent! AMD's laptop chips are weak. Make some 45W and 57W TDP laptop chips, AMD! 35w is not enough to compete against Intel, it's not better than maybe a 2.2GHZ Skylake i3 i would guesstimate. Have it base clock to 2.8GHZ and turbo to 4GHZ+ for a high end laptop chip.