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  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    First. Upgrading now. Who cares except me. LOL
  • andyouf - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    are you regular user or insider?
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    An insider. I was just giving people that always rush for first post greif.
  • jimbo2779 - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Can we all agree that this "first post" malarkey is idiocy and totally pointless? Who cares who got first post, all you are doing is muddying up the comments section.

    This has been happening a lot in the past few weeks.
  • barleyguy - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    You just muddied it up even more by responding. I'm muddying it up even more by responding to you.
  • vred - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Windows is Skynet. Kekeke.
  • jimjamjamie - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Bear in mind that even if your laptop starts going on about extermination, we still have Arnold Schwarzenegger
  • Oxford Guy - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Don't worry. You get the benefit of automatic patches that you can't prevent or learn anything about, last time I heard. (Enterprise version is different.)
  • BMNify - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    It is better to gain knowledge on a topic before spreading FUD, You can block Windows 10 updates by using a tool from Microsoft: http://www.windowscentral.com/dont-want-mandatory-...
  • ibb27 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Do you read everything??? You missed word "some" in the link. :)
  • BMNify - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    You can also block "everything" if you want via blocking the windows update service and the post i was replying to said that "automatic patches that you can't prevent or learn anything about" which is patently false and FUD.
  • Oxford Guy - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    "You can also block 'everything' if you want via blocking the windows update service"

    You can also turn off the computer and never use it. Wow.
  • toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    My problem is that security patches can't really be blocked and the malware scan tool that scans your files and reports back to Microsoft will more than likely be one of those unstoppable patches.
  • Oxford Guy - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    That was, in part, what my post was about.

    There is also the issue of potentially unwanted additions, like the horrible indexing that Microsoft added to XP which slowed things down to a crawl, as well as drivers that "upgrade" the computer to an inferior earlier version.
  • Oxford Guy - Sunday, August 9, 2015 - link

    Truth hurts, bucko:

    "Windows 10 driver problems haven’t been confined to manufacturer support either, with the Register reporting that the new mandatory update cycle imposed by Windows 10 on users was causing crashes and glitches for many users.

    Further problems have occurred, as reported by ExtremeTech, where Windows 10 has attempted to install drivers for hardware that wasn’t even present in the users’ devices."

    -- The Register, Aug 9th
  • abrogan - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Don't forget you can type "services" into the start menu, and disable the Windows Update Service.
  • Oxford Guy - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Yeah, who needs updates anyway?
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    First post from Skynet Pro - 0109 hundred hours !
  • TheJian - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Most of this junk is meh to me (no intention of xbox1 purchase etc). Drop shadows? I turn that off in win7 as it annoys my eyes. Virtual desktops can already be had. IE:
    http://lifehacker.com/5358291/five-best-virtual-de...
    http://www.howtogeek.com/195962/unlock-virtual-des...
    Many ideas for free (the first article is 6yrs old..LOL, other 2014), but I prefer something like Displayfusion myself (at least for win7 for now). There are probably far better apps for VD than the two articles above list, just a quick google for those, and displayfusion is not related to VD. It's multi-monitor toolbars etc. Opinions vary on either idea I'm sure, just pointing out win10 isn't special if you're already using tools to do much of the same stuff in win10 (and probably 3rd party stuff is much better anyway!).

    Adoption for me will be likely the last day it's free (let everyone else beta test), and only if it does NOT kill my Win7 code EVER. I will likely have to pass IT tests on it eventually but not many companies will upgrade for at least a year or more (I'll have something on a test box, but I'm talking replacing my main OS - even then likely a dual boot...LOL). Heck we have govt agencies that just hit win98/office 97 (unbelievable!) last year! We need to fire these stupid people. I have zero interest in adding numbers so MSFT can push dx12/xbox1. I prefer Vulkan winning any api war and there is nothing in win10 that I need over win7 which is rock solid and does everything I need after adding utils to fix it's issues, my hate of win explorer, replaced with apps like xplorer2, xyplorer etc. If change doesn't make me FASTER daily, you can keep your change until I'm forced to use it.

    I can't wait for a 500w PC like ARM box with an ~85w cpu and discrete GPU to compete with WINTEL boxes. Now that we have 64bit ARM devices moving to 4GB, we should finally get a box probably next year so REAL apps can start coming to ARM's side (adobe's full suite etc). The ARM armada is the new AMD to Intel (but can't wait for ZEN too), in case ZEN fails to cause any Intel movement on the cpu side. I sure hope someone plans on putting out an ARM CPU soon north of 50w for PC's at 4ghz etc. This is surely their goal at some point as they march up the Intel laptop, desktop chain. It's just a question of who and the right timing for the OS/apps.

    Poor people could axe the microsoft os fee, and ARM providers could put out a chip for $100 or more less than comparable Intel chips and still profit, while powerful boxes could ship at $200-250 off PC pricing. This is the logical way to increase your revenue on ARM's side (Intel's 60B revenue + MSFT's revenue) with much of WINTEL's revenue at stake in this simple evolution of ARM's product. NV should put one out at 14nm/10nm with pascal and HBM2 for memory in cheap potent soc boxes first, then strip the gpu and allow discrete once you see how much the first integrated way gets you. This is why I say next year as HBM2 should make things interesting for low cost game capable boxes on ARM with pascal in there, and then discrete as an addon initially (then a full separate cpu sans gpu at some point like ZEN and probably Intel soon after ZEN hits). Maybe Qcom tries it (apple already heading there to get rid of Intel too), but I think them and samsung will lose the IP case big time (along with others later), so I'd rather have NV kickstart it all. Or heck AMD? but probably no funding without ZEN being a huge hit for AMD and this would delay the story until 2017 probably at best. You have to profit for a year on ZEN before this is possible as they already delayed apus for zen (no funding now for both at the same time). So again, someone with more cash needs to fire the first salvo on PC ARM boxes.

    No win10 for me for now. I wasn't overly impressed with the beta & consider this more like 8.1 with better lipstick to me. The way I operate daily, they just keep slowing me down. Stuff like boot times etc mean nothing to me on SSD and rarely doing it anyway. Make me faster ALL DAY, and EXPOSE the whole OS so I don't have to resort to something like GOD MODE in win7 to get places quickly ;) Don't change things that WORK already unless it makes me much faster doing it. Gizmos and graphics (while pretty) don't get work done.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    You could just go DOS 6.22 and get all this HAL, GUI nonsense out of your way....
  • SilthDraeth - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Cool Story.
  • Shadow7037932 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Lol. You really are living in your own little bubble world.
  • jb14 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Cool story bro.
  • just4U - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Well.. I came up to Anandtech to see news.. and this came up.. So what the hell first time trying win10 did the update.. (Brett your responsible!!) It took approximately 20 minutes to install on my main computer (using a Micron SSD 500G on a Win7 1.5Year run) Doesn't appear to be any problems so far, the install process went fine.

    Other than not having the foggiest idea how to set my home page in Edge, and Not seeing the Win10 Performance page (is there one like win7?) It's looks ok. Not as nice as Win7 Aero though.
  • just4U - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I do have a another question for those that may know. If you decide to reinstall your OS down the road I take it win7 will need to be installed first, but will you have access to win10 again?
  • BMNify - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    " Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need a product key for re-activations on the same hardware. If you make a meaningful change to your hardware, you may need to contact customer support to help with activation. You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded."

    More such questions on Windows 10 answered here from Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/...
  • T1beriu - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    If you want to reinstall Windows 10 I'm pretty sure you don't need to reinstall Win7 first because the Win7 key is linked to Win10 after you installed it once.

    Yes, you will have access to Win10 again after going back to Win7, for free, if you updated in the first year.

    PS: You don't need to reinstall Win7 if you don't like Win10. You have an option to automatically revert back to your Win7 install in the first 30 days, after that the restore files are automatically deleted.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    The key doesn't seem to allow that. I was allowed to clean install 10 after upgrading from 8.1 using the key, but on the 2nd "clean install it wouldn't activate. Got an error that key was "blocked" Had to redo it from 8.1 >10.
  • leexgx - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    the activation servers are a little busy at the moment so you might be receiving incorrect blocked errors, try again in a week (there a rearm command. slmgr.vbs /ato .you can do as well) quite sure copying the key will not work as it activates using the hardware in your system (after you have done a windows 7 upgrade at least once and confirmed you really did activate 10)
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I can tell you this: I upgraded over a retail 8.1 Pro, got Win 10 Pro, used Magicjellybean key finder to get my new Windows 10 Pro key and wrote it down. I then proceeded to make a USB install drive and picked the Windows 10 Pro version when it asked me what kind of install file to make. There was also a 10 pro "N" version which is an "upgrade" version, did not pick it.

    I then proceeded to do a clean install off the USB drive and picked FULL, not keep files. When it booted and I went to change my background it said it was not activated and that the new Key was blocked by the activation server. It showed the partial key at the end and that matched the new windows 10 one. Reinstalling Win 10 over the top did not help, so I clean installed 8.1 and Upgraded again to Win 10 and it is now activated with the same win 10 key. Maybe if I made the "upgrade" USB key instead of the non N version it would worked but I doubt it since the downloadable installer gives you an option to Keep all Files and settings, just settings or "Keep Nothing". The 2nd upgrade from 8 I kept nothing FYI, and 8.1 was activated before the upgrade because I checked.

    I think you will be able to go back and forth as you choose.

    Also, I used the insider installer, depending on how you get 10, it may work differently. Hope this helps
  • Fiernaq - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    The Windows Experience Index GUI was retired back in Win8. The command line option is still available in both 8 and 10 and there's apparently a tool available now that adds a GUI but it's third party and I haven't tested it at all.

    Sources:
    https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/...
    https://www.maketecheasier.com/find-windows-experi...
  • BMNify - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Release the Kraken...
  • jrs77 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Nobody has ever answered me this so far, so now, as Win10 is officially released I'll ask it again...

    Is there an option to use the Windows Classic UI in Win10? You know, the grey one that looks like Win98/2000.

    If not I'll happily pass on this, no matter what else there is to it.

    Win7 + Classic UI is totally awesome and I couldn't care less about DX12.
  • Michael Bay - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Except classic looks even more ugly in 7 than it was in XP.
  • jimbo2779 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Why would you pass on a free upgrade to stick with such a fugly there?

    Because of the free upgrades there will be less and less support for 7 and 8 going forward.
  • jrs77 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Because I like the Classic UI and don't find it fugly at all. Simply as that.

    Quite contrary, I hate the modern UI of Win7 or Win8 and could never bring myself to use it on my PC.
  • lilmoe - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Just make sure you get the free upgrade before it's over (1 year from now), this way you won't have to pay if you change your mind later.

    Windows 10's UI will entirely be XAML in the future. This means there's a VERY high chance it'll have a very powerful theme/styling engine. You'll never know, they might make a classic theme for those who want one...
  • Notmyusualid - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I too use the 'Classic' UI on my Os'es, and have done since, er XP? I have tried Metro, does look nince for 5 mins, then I just seem to prefer the simplicity of Classic, to be honest.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    No, there is no "classic" option.
  • Koenig168 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Guys, I upgraded from an OEM version of Windows 8.1 Pro and ended up with a RETAIL version of Windows 10 Pro!! Anyone else getting this?
  • Duraz0rz - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    That's how it's supposed to work. If you have a Pro edition of 8.1, you'll get a Pro edition of 10.
  • Koenig168 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    OEM ----> Retail
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Oh well, good for you ! Retail > OEM because you can Xfer to a different system.
  • Paedric - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Does anyone knows how much free space you need to be able to perform the upgrade from 8.1?
    I have a small 64GB SSD, further divided into a Linux and a Windows partitions, with maybe 1-2GB left in the Windows one so I am a bit worried I will have to delete a lot of stuff.
  • Michael Bay - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    At least 4 gigs I`d imagine, for ISO to unpack.
  • Dennis Travis - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    If you are an Insider, how do you upgrade? I just fired up the Notebook I have been testing 10 on as an insider and no updates available. Does anyone know what version number should show under Winver?
  • kspirit - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    You need to go back to your old OS and upgrade from there. TP doesn't upgrade to retail.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    As an insider you just download the tool from the insider page.
  • freeskier93 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Build 10240, which was released 2 weeks ago to insiders, is the same as what was released today. There is nothing to do until MS releases another preview build for W10.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    It did change from the build nomber to Win 10 pro in my properties page, maybe it set a bit or downloaded some dll somewhere...idk. I DL'd it because I did not want to wait for my pro key.
  • ruthan - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Im curios, how exactly licence upgrade works - i have retail Win7, could i clone this partition upgrade and use Win7 a Win10 in dualboot or Win7 licence a install possibility will be after upgrade lost, or dual boot with 1 licence is nolegal / disabled etc?
  • jeffkibuule - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Activation is tied to hardware. You can dual partition on the same machine, you cannot move that Windows 7 license to a different machine. Microsoft is giving you a free upgrade to Windows 10, not a free copy.
  • ruthan - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    So my retail Win7 license would be crippled to Win 10 OEM?
  • 7amood - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I can see it is still an updated version of Windows Vista... PROFIT!!!!1
  • Xenonite - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    How come nobody seems to be concerned about the performance impact of all of these "features" on a high-performance gaming pc?

    Is there a way of killing potentially resource consumeing things like the gaming DVR, AERO DWM, Cortana and (especially) live internet information aggregation?

    If not, what will the gaming impact of these constant CPU intereupts, to poll the internet, be on the 99th percentile frametimes for games that are not written for DirectX12?
  • Duraz0rz - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    For the record, my gaming rig has an i5-3570K OCed to ~4Ghz, 8GB RAM, GTX 970, 512GB Crucial MX100 SSD.

    I've been using the Windows 10 preview since the first build and I've never had any performance degradation from the new features save for the Game DVR. It does not record in the background by default, though, so you won't see any impact until you turn it on manually.

    As far as Aero DWM, I've never disabled it before in Windows 7 mainly because I've never noticed any performance impact.

    I have Cortana enabled (but not the voice activation) and haven't noticed any performance impact on my machine or latency. You can disable Cortana if you don't want to use it.

    I say just give it a shot and see if you find any performance impacts in the games you play. I don't really notice it, but I only really play FFXIV nowadays, with the occasional CS:GO and TF2 game here and there.
  • Mushkins - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    If your system aggregating weather information in the background is saturating your bandwidth, you need to ditch your 8 baud modem and join us in 2015. Nobody's concerned about this performance hit because it's nonexistent. Do you also disable your system clock from syncing with an internet source because it takes precious resources?
  • Notmyusualid - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I think he has a very valid point.

    Less OS is more for gaming. Same for network dependencies too, less processes opening unecessary sockets is also detrimental - when we are chasing milliseconds.

    I did see a program that stripped Win 10 down to nothing, and made it very fast, weather, cortana, sports - all that junk out in one double-click. Unfortunately it stiripped-out the Start / Search function too, so the only progs I could access were those that were left on Desktop to 'double-click' from there. When I see this thing again (who's name I've forgotten), I'll upgrade my gaming machine to 10.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Well then the problem is that his machine would be lower end or borderline for the recomended specs for windows 10 anyhow and he should probably stick to XP or 7. On any high end machine, the extra .5% cpu usage isn't going to make a big difference in performance unless you're only getting 2 FPS anyhow. That and direct X 12 gameswill more than offset any extra usage most likely. If it performs even a third as good as they hope it will be a big improvement over what we have now.
  • Xenonite - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Not exactly. I am simply very sensitive to frame time variances (which is why I dial down the in-game settings to allow for a relatively constant 140fps on my 144Hz Asus ROG Swift monitor. Sub-100fps framerates, even with G-Sync, are just too juddery and give me extreme motion sickness and nausia), so even though it may only use a fraction of a percent of processing power, a 1ms interrupt service routine would result in the next frame being delayed by 14%, which is quite visible and extremely annoying.
  • jimbo2779 - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    I can't disagree with you being susceptible to nausea and what not but you cannot possibly percept a 14% delay in a single frame when your eyes are bombarded with 140 per second
  • Xenonite - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Thank you for your reply, however its not simply that I am so "behind the times" that I don't invest my hard earned money in newer tech. I also do not have such a low end machine that the OS completely uses up all the resources, and while I will accept that it is not a very high-end rig, I do not believe that it should be limited by the OS (I have a Intel 5960X @ 4.5Ghz, with a single Nvidia Titan X (no SLI) and a few Samsung 850 PRO SSDs in RAID 0 (don't really care about data loss)) due to features that I will never use.

    One thing I cannot currently change, however, is the stupid country I was born into. I realise that this does not have anything to do with my question (or even Windows 10 for that matter), but I would like to give a bit of perspective on why I am so concerned with these internet services.
    For me to ping the nearest Microsoft (or Bing for that matter) server takes about 300ms, so that any app that is programmed to wait for a server response in the main thread (due to an assumed sub-100ms latency) gets very laggy indeed.
    I also do not live in a rural area, but the absolute fastest internet connection I can get is a 10 megabit per second 'uncapped' package which costs the equivalent of about US$150. Unfortunately, our service providers are allowed to throttle our 'uncapped' packages after around 10-50GB (quite variable actually) of montly usage down to a speed of 256kbits/s (32kB/s).
    Also, since we do not have such stringent advertising laws, (and have to live with a single government-invested telecoms company) my 10megabit line does not actually have to give me that speed either. The most I have ever gotten out of it was 8.5mbits/s on speedtest (torrents, downloads and ftp are always throttled to less than 2mbits/s regardless of data useage).

    I simply have no choice, I can upgrade my PC but I cannot get better internet access than I already have (so in effect I would LOVE to ditch my g.dmt modem (all of our ADSL service still uses g.dmt. It is the most advanced, and the only, modulation technique available) but if I do, I would not be able to connect to anything). That is why I wanted to know about the integrated services.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    The "impact" is negligible. It seems to run as good or better than 8.1.

    I am running it on 3770k, 32 gigs ram SSD and 780ti. It's not bogging anything down.
  • tabascosauz - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    What are you "gaming" on? AM1 with a HDD from 2006?

    Windows 10 is a relief, since I can actually stay on the internet while playing a game that's demanding on RAM (such as Far Cry 4), with the advent of Edge. Edge takes up about 15MB with 3 tabs open. Chrome takes about 300MB.

    Do you have a "high-performance gaming pc"? How about you try 10 for yourself before spreading this speculation?
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    To be fair to them, I like some of the older machines myself, but IMO if you can run 7 then 10 will run fine. They added stuff, but also seemed to have removed a lot of junk, it seems to at least even out so far, subjectively anyhow.
  • Xenonite - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    I was not trying to "spread" anything, I was merely asking if anyone has noticed any performance differences and, if so, what they did to overcome them (such as if any of these disabled services might still be polling data in the background).
    I obviously do configure the OS as best as I can to my liking (and yes I have tried various builds of Windows 10 before), I just wanted to know what (if anything) the community considers to be valuable performace enhanceing tweaks.

    I am truely sorry if I have offended you or even the community at large, it was definitely not my intention.

    Also, thank you very much for all of your replies.
  • royalcrown - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Well, I for one am not offended and I really don't think you'll be disappointed with windows 10 performance. So far it's really not downloading anything in the background and so far it's utilizing between 0 and 1 percent cpu while I type this (with all that stuff enabled such as Cortana and updates).
  • KPOM - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I just installed Windows 10 on my 2015 MacBook within Parallels 10. Other than the workaround for the display driver issue (on Parallels, not Microsoft), it's been fine. For the record, I couldn't use the update icon on the taskbar, but I was able to download the update manually from Microsoft's website.

    Windows 10 is much better suited for the MacBook than Windows 8.1 ever was, particularly since the MacBook doesn't have a touch screen. It does seem to take a tad longer to open up than Windows 8.1 did, but I didn't take precise measurements before or after.
  • daemonios - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I used the last few builds of the Insider Programme builds, and while I quite liked it overall, there was one thing that bugged me. The Metro apps language were tied to the location you chose, even if your system and input languages are different. I wonder if they fixed this for the launch build?
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    IDK about that, but there is an option in some menus so far to pick your language preferences in some programs if you have more than 1 installed. IDK about metro because I haven't enabled "tablet mode" on my desktop.
  • daemonios - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    You don't have to enable tablet mode to use metro apps. By metro apps I just mean the Windows apps that use the metro interface - marketplace, photos, music, etc. So far they've always followed the location settings, not the system language (which to me makes more sense), let alone a per-app user-defined language.
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Oh...I did not know that, I only ever used one metro app because I don't care for the interface at all. Alarm clock was it, well that and Asphalt 8 (good), so TWO apps.
  • toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    When I read this headline I keep hearing the President in the movie Escape from LA saying he wants to broadcast worldwide.
  • LarsBars - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    Loving the AnandTech live tile when using the Microsoft Edge "Pin to Start" function ;-)
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    LarsBars, I like Cliff bars, but you also look delicious when I see you in the store :)
  • desolation0 - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    I must know, if you're streaming Halo from the Xbox, and Master Chief says "Okay Cortana" does Cortana respond?
  • royalcrown - Wednesday, July 29, 2015 - link

    +1
  • daemonios - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    If you're wearing a headset, which you should unless you want everyone you're playing with to scream at you to turn off your speakers, then I don't see how that would happen. Although it would be interesting to see that feedback loop :p If I ever notice anyone using voice chat over their normal speakers I'll try shooting "Hey Cortana, shut down my PC" just to try it out.
  • Zingam - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    BIG FAIL AGAIN!
    The upgrade freezes after installing the drivers at the configuration step - twice.
  • royalcrown - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Keep waiting, mine seemed like it froze, but it just took a long time like 10 minutes. IDK what else it was doing.
  • Valentino-835 - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    It's NOT free. It's a marketing con from Microsoft. I tried the other day to install it. First, with Windows 7 Professional (fully activated). Did not work. Then, I installed Windows 8 Professional upgrade on top of that(fully activated). Did not work. Supposedly, unless you have a "Windows10 App" installed, you can't get it. And getting that app it's a nightmare. Don't even try. I bet if you reached for that credit card and forked 200 bucks, you wouldn't have a problem installing it. Sad as its sounds, I used Windows 10 Insider for the last 5 months and I thought it was ( and is ) a vast improvement over Windows 8. Another 200 bucks for a "free" upgrade ? Not a chance.
    I repeat. It is NOT free. Don't believe me ? Try it.
  • royalcrown - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    It is free, I am using it right now. If you can't upgrade, you have a problem that is due to Microsoft being intent on getting your money. Whether it's an activation server problem, non genuine serial, damaged file or whatever, it's not a "trick". Microsoft IS giving it away free precisely to appease all the Windows 8 haters and the cheapskates, the people still running their old OS because it works. Yes, they want people on the same platform so they can eventually offer services and such in exchange for money. They never led anyone to believe otherwise. They aren't just going to turn off someones OS or disable necessary features. Everyone would just up and move to OSX and they aren't that stupid. Future versions of windows, who can say; for now I am replying to you on my retail copy of 10 that was upgraded from 8.1.
  • Valentino-835 - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    It's NOT free. I purchased Windows 7 RETAIL, in the box, cost me 329 dollars when it came out. The upgrade should have worked with that from the start. IT DID NOT. Then, when Windows 8 came out, they had a special offer, to upgrade for 49.95, which I did. IT DID NOT WORK WITH THAT, EIGHTER. I should have smelled the red herring when I saw it. Special apps, obscure updates with obscure names such as KB followed by numbers which even if you could get, won't install.
    Same old gimmicks I've seen over the years. It's free, you see, provided you have a degree in CS, or you are lucky to have been selected BY THEM to get one. For the rest of us suckers, pony up. The Windows Insider Program ? Carrots dangled all along. To get the suckers a taste for it. When was the last time Microsoft was so generous ? If I remember correctly, NEVER. It's a marketing con. It's been done before, and it works.
  • ketacdx - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Haha, "obscure updates with obscure names such as KB followed by numbers which even if you could get, won't install." is he trolling or just a little slow?
  • Valentino-835 - Thursday, July 30, 2015 - link

    Says another Microsoft fan boy, patrolling every day websites like these, in order to ridicule and dismiss any valid criticism. Way to go.
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    Why don't you explain how it's not FREE to you. I assume you can't get it to install or haven't got the upgrade notice yet. I got mine because i ran the beta and signed up as an insider.

    My wife just got her invitation today to upgrade because she "reserved" a copy when it came up in an ad. She also "upgraded from 8.1 on her Alienware 17.

    If you can't upgrade yet, it's not because they are waiting until you pay for it, that is untrue.
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    TROLLING, I have a RETAIL 7 BOX right here in the closet, an OEM 7 box, and my copy of 8.1. I'll bet you they ALL upgrade. MS hasd also said SOME versions of 7 weren't ready to upgrade yet but they are working on it. I assume weird international versions. It is free because you'll still have 7 and be able to go back to it and use it even after you upgrade if you don't like the FREE version of 10.
  • Valentino-835 - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    I live in Canada. I bought Windows 7 at a BestBuy store. I don't think they sell "weird international versions". The Windows 8 Upgrade was purchased directly from Microsoft Website. So, spare me the TROLLING nonsense.
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    ALSO, its free if you download and run "MediaCreationToolx86" or "MediaCreationToolx64" when you sign into your Microsoft Insider account; which LITERALLY ANYONE was allowed to sign up and get for free. Barring that you will eventually get a push notification to your Action center in 8.1 unless you have that off. It will say, "Your Upgrade is ready." Even if you cancel that, it will come up later and say "Upgrade to Windows 10" because that is how my NON computer science wife did it. Maybe you have to wait, they specifically stated they are rolling it out in stages for 2 reasons:

    To keep their servers from buckling under the download demand

    Because not all configurations that meet the requirements are bug free yet, they have to fix some things even for people whose systems meet the minimum specs because there are so many component configurations.

    Insiders get it first,

    People who reserved it aren't even supposed to be getting it quite yet but it's gone smoothley and I suppose they are ahead of schedule on those.

    So:

    Insiders

    Reserved

    Retail - (amazon, Newegg)

    People that have unvalidated configurations.
  • Valentino-835 - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    Whenever I hear about "unvalidated configuration" I wonder what it means. Just a thought.
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    Just stuff they never had the hardware to test I think. I hope you get it sorted out because it's working good for most people. I did read that it wasn't installing on a users machine with an ancient Nvidia GPU (7400). Do you have a one off or old GPU in there as a primary or secondary card ?
  • Michael Bay - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    They have this thing called user support.
  • Valentino-835 - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    Sure they do. If you're willing to pay.
  • Michael Bay - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    >muh victim status

    Quit crying and contact them, nobody is feeling sorry for you here.
  • Valentino-835 - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    Well, the white icon has appeared on my taskbar. So, I'll take back everything I said. My apologies.
  • royalcrown - Friday, July 31, 2015 - link

    I hope it works for you Valentino-835 and I DO think they will have paid for services, but not until everyone is on the same platform (maybe windows 11), just this version is the free carrot as well as regaining face after ppl hated 8 so much.
  • Maaniu - Saturday, August 1, 2015 - link

    Salivating at the mere thought of it!
  • CuriousHomeBody - Monday, August 3, 2015 - link

    Just checked the price for Windows 10 Pro for my old Windows Vista laptop. USB version is $80 more than the DVD version. Kinda chocked at that.
  • ghitz - Tuesday, August 4, 2015 - link

    Can someone please tell me this: I have a Windows 8.1 Pro installation, if I upgrade to Windows 10 and if I change my motherboard and CPU to Skylake in 3 months: WILL I BE ABLE TO RE-ACTIVATE?

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